Lets step through the IFs
Creation.
1) if there is a God who created.
Judiasm.
1) If there is a God who created.
2) If the creation god is YHVH.
Christianity.
1)If there is a God who created.
2) If the creation god is YHVH.
3)If YHVH has a son.
Islam
- If there is a God who created.
2) If the creation god is YHVH.
3)If YHVH sent Jesus as a prophet. - if revelation 9 is not a prophetic reference to mohammad and islam
- If Jesus was not the son of YHVH
- If the Jews lied about the promises
- If the muslims can prove prophecy really does match a different group of Semitic people other than the Jews.
Paganism
- If there is a god who created
- If the creation story in consistent in that religeon
- If the record teller is not possibly effected by another god of trickery michief and lies
- If the creation story matches the physical evidence on the earth
- If this religeon also is compatible with a worldwide flood.
- If other parts of the religeon have fulfilled prophecies, correct dates, and other evidence more stable than the evidence in the bible which was found on the earth.
Perpetual Existence Theory
1) If discoverable evidence concludes everything always existed
(Debunked already, fails due to entropy and mass compression theory, eventually in the past everything was a single solid mass of energy.)
Big bang theory
1) If nothing exploded and became something(requires a biased opinion to rule out a God factor, the energy required is nothing short of Godly.)
2) If entropy is not a constant(debunked already)
3)If lightspeed is a constant (debunked already)
4)if space can compress (theoretical and unproven)
5)if time can compress (theoretical and unproven)
6)if millions and billions of years of existence (unproven, lots of opinionated guesswork)
Evolution in combination with any of the above.
1) If macroevolution is true (unproven)
2) If breeding programs ie microevolution can lead to macro evolution (proven false)
3) If a single cell creature type can change into a multicell creature (proven false)
4) If a virus can become a cell (proven false)
5) If a soup of random chemicals can become a dna strand(proven false)
6) If creature can crossbreed with different families of creatures (proven false)
7) If genetic mutations can produce posative results by accidently jumbling dna (proven false, always causes creature health problems)
8) If cells did not selfdestruct when large amounts of foreign dna were added, or when different creature type sperm was added to an egg.
Creation is much less iffy.
Big bang much more iffy.
Evolution much much more iffy.
Genesis 1:1 to 4
בראשׁית ברא אלהים את השׁמים ואת הארץ והארץ היתה תהו ובהו וחשׁך על פני תהום ורוח אלהים מרחפת על פני המים ויאמר אלהים יהי אור ויהי אור וירא אלהים את האור כי טוב ויבדל אלהים בין האור ובין החשׁך
Genesis 1:1 to 4 In the first act of בראשׁית creation ברא Eternals אלהים with את the heavens השׁמים and with ואת the earth הארץ and the earth והארץ was less than היתה empty תהו and void ובהו and dark וחשׁך on על corners of פני their void תהום and spirit ורוח Eternals אלהים from brooding acted מרחפת on על corners of פני the waters המים and did say ויאמר Eternals אלהים is יהי light אור and is ויהי light אור and does see וירא Eternals אלהים with את the light האור for כי good טוב and did split ויבדל Eternals אלהים split בין the light האור and split ובין the dark החשׁך
Genesis 1:1 to 4 In the first act of creation Eternals with the heavens and with the earth and the earth was less than empty and void and dark on the corners of their void and the spirit of Eternals from brooding acted on the corners of the waters and Eternals said “light is” and light was and Eternals does see with the light for it was good and Eternals did split the light and split the dark
“In the first act of creation” you have a choice, modern scientific theory, or God. There is not a true middle ground. Science is helpful and can be used as a tool for many things, but it cannot explain the things God can do. Red sea crossings, burning bushes, resurrections, axe heads floating in water, rapid healing, foretelling future events, stopping the sun in the sky for an extra 24 hours. None of these things have a valid scientific answer. Creation is no different, we can try to match as much evidence as we can, and to a point it is true. Except, science is flawed because humans are flawed. Science is also flawed because it required observable evidence to operate, and strict repeatable conditions in order to verify a fact. Science and along with it mathematics can only be as good as the best a human can be at any given time. Without understanding and accepting the unknown variable of God, the measurable and physical will not completely make sense. Additionally if an anomaly is not repeatable and conditions are not measurable, then the very scientific method, the base of the study we call Science fails.
There is also another major barrier to discussion which frequently causes frustration in discussions, and can stop any discussion on creation. This would be the phrase “it would be a lie if God made (object) like (stated way supposedly offensive to science)”. At this point the trust in God being an omnipotent God is broken, also trust in his truth telling abilities is lost. Here is why.
Exodus 20:11
כי שׁשׁת ימים עשׂה יהוה את השׁמים ואת הארץ את הים ואת כל אשׁר בם וינח ביום השׁביעי על כן ברך יהוה את יום השׁבת ויקדשׁהו
For in six days created Yohavah the heavens the earth the sea, and all which in them remained. The seventh day was blessed of Yohavah. The day of Sabbath will be holy to man and woman.
Genesis 2:4
אלה תולדות השׁמים והארץ בהבראם ביום עשׂות יהוה אלהים ארץ ושׁמים
This results The Heavens and The Earth in the creation of them in day of works of Yohavah these two Earth and His heavens.
There are several logic miscalculations in the idea of an uncreated heaven, and the idea of a long creation. First is in Genesis 2:4 “His Heavens” God’s heavens are quite powerful and was described here as being created, this describes something far beyond the earth and the breathable atmosphere. In addition if we presume the heavens to exist before the creation event then we have no verses in the bible to date when God created them, it is very clear in descriptive form the method of how God’s creation took place. To follow up on this there are other bible verse which state the heavens and earth were made in 6 days, and the 7th was Sabbath, Exodus 20:11, 31:17. The second miscalculation is much more serious. In order to produce another view other than 7 days of creation of heavens and earth, information must be added.
Proverbs 30:5 to 8 Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him. Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar. Two things have I required of thee; deny me them not before I die: Remove far from me vanity and lies….
Information like “1 day was really a thousand years of creation, or well I think evolution takes time, or well science says the light is older” is not found in the bible and is in fact adding to the word of God. There are consequences for this by the way.
Revelation 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
Jeremiah 31:35 Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is his name:
Isaiah 45:5 to 7 I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me: That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else. I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
Psalms 136:3 to 9 O give thanks to the Lord of lords: for his mercy endureth for ever. To him who alone doeth great wonders: for his mercy endureth for ever. To him that by wisdom made the heavens: for his mercy endureth for ever. To him that stretched out the earth above the waters: for his mercy endureth for ever. To him that made great lights: for his mercy endureth for ever: The sun to rule by day: for his mercy endureth for ever: The moon and stars to rule by night: for his mercy endureth for ever.
Psalms 148:1 to 5 Praise ye the LORD. Praise ye the LORD from the heavens: praise him in the heights. Praise ye him, all his angels: praise ye him, all his hosts. Praise ye him, sun and moon: praise him, all ye stars of light. Praise him, ye heavens of heavens, and ye waters that be above the heavens. Let them praise the name of the LORD: for he commanded, and they were created.
The Hebrew word bara here is used, this word is usually emphasized by people trying to make a distinction between bara ברא and sshe עשׂה (no sh hard s). The distinction made is usually the precreated idea, or the ancient evolution idea blended with creationism. This idea shuts down all the arguments with a molding of preexistant material.
The earth was not created to be formless תהו, tohv, the same word in Genesis 1:2 is translated as without form, as is mentioned in Isaiah 45:18 as “vain”. All of the pre-existant earth theories, old earth theories require a lengthy period of time which the earth remained in a formless, or “primordial ooze” state, neither dry land nor completely water either. These philosophies essentially maintain that God created or the earth exisited in a formless for a prolonged period of time in order to accomplish his will.
Isaiah 45:18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.
Isaiah 45:18 כי כה אמר יהוה בורא השׁמים הוא האלהים יצר הארץ ועשׂה הוא כוננה לא תהו בראה לשׁבת יצרה אני יהוה ואין עוד
Isaiah 45:18 כי כה אמר יהוה בורא השׁמים הוא האלהים יצר הארץ ועשׂה הוא כוננה לא תהו בראה לשׁבת יצרה אני יהוה ואין עוד
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