Jesus is Emperor

So where do we start on a subject like this one? Having given this some thought, perhaps it would be best to establish God’s role and authority first, not out of doubt for anyone’s understanding, but instead so that all things later built upon this most basic of foundations will be accurate, tried, true, and measured according to the measure our God sets forth.

Let us take a look at the Genesis account of creation in ch. 1 & 2 up to verse 4 which says.

בראשׁית ברא אלהים את השׁמים ואת הארץ והארץ היתה תהו ובהו וחשׁך על פני תהום ורוח אלהים מרחפת על פני המים ויאמר אלהים יהי אור ויהי אור וירא אלהים את האור כי טוב ויבדל אלהים בין האור ובין החשׁך

In the first act of בראשׁית creation ברא Aelohim אלהים with את the heavens השׁמים and with ואת the earth הארץ and the earth והארץ was less than היתה empty תהו and void ובהו and dark וחשׁך on על corners of פני their void תהום and spirit ורוח Aelohim אלהים from brooding acted מרחפת on על corners of פני the waters המים and did say ויאמר Aelohim אלהים is יהי light אור and is ויהי light אור and does see וירא Aelohim אלהים with את the light האור for כי good טוב and did split ויבדל Aelohim אלהים split בין the light האור and split ובין the dark החשׁך

In the first act of creation Aelohim with the heavens and with the earth and the earth was less than empty and void and dark on the corners of their void and the spirit of Aelohim from brooding acted on the corners of the waters and Aelohim said “light is and light is” and Aelohim does see with the light for it was good and Aelohim did split the light and split the dark

From the creation account, there are two keys to keep in mind for the rest of this article, 1) Aelohim made the universe with power, so everything is under this, and 2) God sets the dominions of his creations no matter what mankind’s opinion.

Psalms 103:17 to 22

וחסד יהוה מעולם ועד עולם על יראיו וצדקתו לבני בנים לשׁמרי בריתו ולזכרי פקדיו לעשׂותם יהוה בשׁמים הכין כסאו ומלכותו בכל משׁלה ברכו יהוה מלאכיו גברי כח עשׂי דברו לשׁמע בקול דברו

And mercy וחסד Yhovah יהוה from eternity מעולם and to eternity עולם to על fearing him יראיו good justice his וצדקתו to son of לבני sons בנים to guard! לשׁמרי oath his בריתו and to remember about ולזכרי overseer his פקדיו who made you לעשׂותם Yhovah יהוה in heavens בשׁמים stable הכין throne did כסאו and king of us ומלכותו in all בכל sovereignties משׁלה he is your purity ברכו Yhovah יהוה your value his מלאכיו we will be pure of גברי might כח

And mercy of Yhvh from eternity and to eternity to him fearing his good justice to son of sons which guard! His Oath and which remember about his overseer who made you Yhvh in Heavens stable throne did and is king of us in all sovereignties

There are a few points to keep in mind with this verse in conjunction with the creation account.

A) God’s throne is in the heavens, in fact he fashioned this throne. It is possible that heaven is the throne, but it is probably a metaphor for the seat of his power.

Isaiah 66:1

כה אמר יהוה השׁמים כסאי והארץ הדם רגלי אי זה בית אשׁר תבנו לי ואי זה מקום מנוחתי

Matthew 5:34 εγω δε λεγω υμιν μη ομοσαι ολως μητε εν τω ουρανω οτι θρονος εστιν του θεου

Matthew 23:22 και ο ομοσας εν τω ουρανω ομνυει εν τω θρονω του θεου και εν τω καθημενω επανω αυτου

1 Kings 22:19

ויאמר לכן שׁמע דבר יהוה ראיתי את יהוה ישׁב על כסאו וכל צבא השׁמים עמד עליו מימינו ומשׂמאלו

Psalms 11:4 The LORD is in his holy temple, the LORD’S throne is in heaven: his eyes behold, his eyelids try, the children of men.

The previous 4 passages are descriptive of a place within heaven, the previous seem to be metaphor, and though it may be convenient to say otherwise we should identify abstract figures of speech when we see it.

B) His kingdom reigns over all, this is important because this incorporates substance even outside of creation. It is obvious that the kingdom of the Christ Day of millennia reign is a smaller future portion of what is spoken of here.

C) The reminder that those that fear God and listen to Him will receive mercy.

D) Because God’s rule is over all, it is also over the heathen and the earth, as is quoted in the following verse.

Psalm 47

למנצח לבני קרח מזמור

כל העמים תקעו כף הריעו לאלהים בקול רנה כי יהוה עליון נורא מלך גדול על כל הארץ ידבר עמים תחתינו ולאמים תחת רגלינו יבחר לנו את נחלתנו את גאון יעקב אשׁר אהב סלה עלה אלהים בתרועה יהוה בקול שׁופר זמרו אלהים זמרו זמרו למלכנו זמרו כי מלך כל הארץ אלהים זמרו משׂכיל מלך אלהים על גוים אלהים ישׁב על כסא קדשׁו נדיבי עמים נאספו עם אלהי אברהם כי לאלהים מגני ארץ מאד נעלה

Why is this important to the conversation? First we should hold in mind who decides what or whom is under to what or whom, and the one who decides is God, and he has the right to this. What we personally FEEL has nothing to do with the reality of what God decides. Second, placement and scope of the seat of God’s power applies directly to Jesus’ current role and authority, and how we understand them, for the simple reason that God defines what Jesus’ role authority and power are, and whom and what are in subjection to him. So having reaffirmed some basic truths of scripture, let us take a look at the promise given unto David concerning Jesus. There are 2 accounts of the promise unto David one is in 2 Samuel 7 and the other is located in 1 Chronicles 17 there are a few differences between them, that on a first glance seem irrelevant, but in fact are necessary to this discussion. Here is a table with the scriptures side by side, with some differences emphasized.

2 Samuel 7:12 to 17 ויאמר נתן אל דוד אתה האישׁ כה אמר יהוה אלהי ישׂראל אנכי משׁחתיך למלך על ישׂראל ואנכי הצלתיך מיד שׁאול ואתנה לך את בית אדניך ואת נשׁי אדניך בחיקך ואתנה לך את בית ישׂראל ויהודה ואם מעט ואספה לך כהנה וכהנה מדוע בזית את דבר יהוה לעשׂות הרע בעינו את אוריה החתי הכית בחרב ואת אשׁתו לקחת לך לאשׁה ואתו הרגת בחרב בני עמון ועתה לא תסור חרב מביתך עד עולם עקב כי בזתני ותקח את אשׁת אוריה החתי להיות לך לאשׁה כה אמר יהוה הנני מקים עליך רעה מביתך ולקחתי את נשׁיך לעיניך ונתתי לרעיך ושׁכב עם נשׁיך לעיני השׁמשׁ הזאת כי אתה עשׂית בסתר ואני אעשׂה את הדבר הזה נגד כל ישׂראל ונגד השׁמשׁ ויאמר דוד אל נתן חטאתי ליהוה ויאמר נתן אל דוד גם יהוה העביר חטאתך לא תמות אפס כי נאץ נאצת את איבי יהוה בדבר הזה גם הבן הילוד לך מות ימות וילך נתן אל ביתו ויגף יהוה את הילד אשׁר ילדה אשׁת אוריה לדוד ויאנשׁ ויבקשׁ דוד את האלהים בעד הנער ויצם דוד צום ובא ולן ושׁכב ארצה ויקמו זקני ביתו עליו להקימו מן הארץ ולא אבה ולא ברא אתם לחם	1 Chronicles 17:11 to 15והיה כי מלאו ימיך ללכת עם אבתיך והקימותי את זרעך אחריך אשׁר יהיה מבניך והכינותי את מלכותו הוא יבנה לי בית וכננתי את כסאו עד עולם אני אהיה לו לאב והוא יהיה לי לבן וחסדי לא אסיר מעמו כאשׁר הסירותי מאשׁר היה לפניך והעמדתיהו בביתי ובמלכותי עד העולם וכסאו יהיה נכון עד עולם ככל הדברים האלה וככל החזון הזה כן דבר נתן אל דויד
Let us now quickly step through this set of promises and their completions:
We know David was dead by the time of Jesus	1 Chronicles 29, 1 Kings 2, Matthew 2, Luke 2
Jesus was a descendant of David, this pertains to the birth right.	Luke 3 or Matt 1
God will establish Jesus kingdom	This requires definition, and explanation.
Jesus will build God an house	The spiritual portion is in building process, but the physical has not begun yet.
God shall be Jesus father, and Jesus Gods son	Matt 3:17, Matt 17:5, Mark 9:7, Luke 9:35
Jesus chastened with the rod of men, and with the stripes of men	Matt 27:30, Mark 15:15, 19, John 19:1
God did not remove mercy from Jesus	John 20:11 to 17, Luke 24:1 to 35
In Davids House and Kingdom shall be established before David, and Davids throne shall be established forever.	We know David must be resurrected. Note the promises refer to Davids throne.
Jesus shall be settled in Gods house and in God’s kingdom forever.	Matt 28:18, Hebrews 8:1 to 2, Acts 1:1 to 11This is not speaking about Davids kingdom or House, and relates to 1 Chronicles 17:14
Jesus throne would be established forever.	This is future tense.

Some parts of the promise have been totally completed there are portions, that are in mid stage completion and, or require a specific event to happen first and are not fulfilled. As with all of the promises recorded in two locations, there are differences in the content that each contains, these differences should be paid attention to for they are important. The verses 2 Samuel 7:16, and 1 Chronicles 17:14, are not identical in the Hebrew, but the ending of those passages are. The idea of a ”throne behind the curtain” or “another throne in heaven other than God’s for Jesus” is not at all probable, but is wresting God’s word, having reviewed the views from both perspectives, neither has a point, proving or disproving each other. To present the argument in this article has no merit in the opinion of the author, however it should be noted that the conclusive point for a “throne behind the curtain” depends upon words always used in scripture as forever or evermore as “behind the curtain”. This disagrees with all of the bible text interpretations in print. The most reasonable view is, we do not have any information about a separate throne for Jesus behind the curtain, and due to the language in the Apocalypse there is still Adonai throne which is written. We know that God’s throne has always existed beyond the curtain of fleshly sight. The difference between a Davidic kingship and house, and kingship and house of the Mighty One is evident. David’s rule and house were made by God’s authority, and because of this are of lesser authority of course than Adonai Yah. It is pretty straightforward that from the structure of the promises two different distinct ideas are represented in these passages. This is notable because again timeframes for fulfillment are different. Jesus was established in David’s house at birth, but obviously he was not claimed openly by God until his baptism, at the soonest came into God’s house at his circumcision or “excision of foreskin”, on the 8^th day, Luke 2:21. The establishment of David’s kingdom which is to be that 7 thousandth year kingdom, is of course yet to come. Jesus is now already established in God’s Kingdom, in which God rules all things.

Ephesians 1:20 to 2:1 ην ενηργησεν εν τω χριστω εγειρας αυτον εκ των νεκρων και εκαθισεν εν δεξια αυτου εν τοις επουρανιοις υπερανω πασης αρχης και εξουσιας και δυναμεως και κυριοτητος και παντος ονοματος ονομαζομενου ου μονον εν τω αιωνι τουτω αλλα και εν τω μελλοντι και παντα υπεταξεν υπο τους ποδας αυτου και αυτον εδωκεν κεφαλην υπερ παντα τη εκκλησια ητις εστιν το σωμα αυτου το πληρωμα του τα παντα εν πασιν πληρουμενου και υμας οντας νεκρους τοις παραπτωμασιν και ταις αμαρτιαις

These verses shows the difference between these two houses and kingdoms. A quick glance at the word “world” which is “aion” defined “eon” explains the writings are to be understood in the present tense, and not in the future tense. What this shows now is, being before his return, he already has this position, name, dominion, might, and additionally the total body of Christ is “under his feet”. The “hath put” is a word which must be shown later.

The current statements in the ecclesiae use the words title & office to describe the emperor role, and the supporters of this attempt to distinguish the difference, between a title and name in the bible. There is 1 passage where title appears in Greek, John 19:19 to 20, this did not establish much in background of understanding of the word. We know it the concordance records this as placard, but to get understanding of what a name means biblically let us view a few verses.

John 20:31, Acts 2:38, 3:6, 4:10, 5:40, 8:12 & 16, 9:29, 15:26, 16:18, 19:5, 19:13, 19:17, 21:13, 1 Corinthians 1:2 & 10, 1 Corinthians 5:4, 6:11, Ephesians 5:20, Colossians 3:17, 2 Thessalonians 1:12, 3:6, 1 John 3:23

These verses point to the “name” Lord Jesus, Jesus Christ, or The Lord Jesus Christ. It is pretty obvious the only piece of Jesus name is Jesus, the rest are titles. What this says is, biblically Jesus others are considered as Jesus name by God. Thus his position now is as great as others for him to come. So the title king is part of the name. If we check the definitions of name, appellation, and title in a dictionary, we would find the words used to describe each other, and grouped as the same idea. The reason for this is simple, a title is nothing more than a name of a position, or role for instance when we say “Called of God High priest after the order of Melchisedec” we think “Call this name by Yah “High Priest with the arrangement of rank of a Righteous Emperor””. If we look in Hebrews 5:10, the word called there is remarkable and means “call by a name” or “to be designated as”. This simple view to the subject should not be disregarded, this same method to learn is how we prove Satan to be a myth, and for many years has been held valuable to the community.

It should be noted the passage in Ephesians 1 comprises existing over the principalities, and retain εξουσιας command, δυναμεως might, and κυριοτητος dominion too. The precise phrasing of this verse and the wording of “now and in the age to come” leaves no doubt to whether or not Jesus not only has the title that is potent of position. This means both now, and in the age to come, Jesus is above all chief rulers, those privileged and free, all forces and powers, and all masters and rulers. The bible view does not allow for a King of title only.

Concerning the putting all things under his feet, compare this to Matt 28:18 “…εδοθη μοι πασα εξουσια εν ουρανω και επι γης” The statement in Matt 28:18, simply put would conflict with the idea all things would be put under his feet in the time to come. It simply is not possible to have all εδοθη rule and εξουσια command, and yet have something not in subjection; this is such a mighty logic incongruity, it would be the equivalent to calling Jesus a liar. The passage is sometimes used as testimony not all are currently in subjection.

Hebrews 2:7 to 9 ηλαττωσας αυτον βραχυ τι παρ αγγελους δοξη και τιμη εστεφανωσας αυτον παντα υπεταξας υποκατω των ποδων αυτου εν γαρ τω υποταξαι αυτω τα παντα ουδεν αφηκεν αυτω ανυποτακτον νυν δε ουπω ορωμεν αυτω τα παντα υποτεταγμενα τον δε βραχυ τι παρ αγγελους ηλαττωμενον βλεπομεν ιησουν δια τοG3588 T-ASN παθημα του θανατου δοξη και τιμη εστεφανωμενον οπως χαριτι θεου υπερ παντος γευσηται θανατου

Hebrews 2:7 and 8 He was less than the angels, but he was adorned with glory and value and was designated to be over the work of your hands. All are obedient under his feet, so obey him, everyone not sent forth by him is disobedient, and we understand not all obey him.

Compare this to:

What people often focus on in the Hebrews scripture is the “δε ουπω ορωμεν αυτω τα παντα υποτεταγμενα”. It’s easy to understand why certain understandings would lean a person to think this meant he did not have all things under him. Take a good look at υποτεταγμενα to be subject or obedient. The roots mean “to be under the order of” when put together in this manner.

In context of scripture this word is to obey, a quick search for the word can provide a host of passages, and literally all of them can be read with obedient in place of the previous translation, and make good sense. This Brothers and Sisters is the same logic pattern that we use to refute the immortality of the soul.

Luke 2:51, 10:17, 10:20, Romans 8:7, 8:20, 10:3, 13:1, 13:5, 1 Corinthians 14:32, 14:34, 15:27, 15:28, 16:16, Ephesians 1:22, 5:21, 5:22, 5:24, Philippians 3:21, Colossians3:18, Titus 2:5, 2:9, 3:1, Hebrews 2:5, 2:8, 12:9, James 4:7, 1 Peter 2:13, 2:18, 3:1, 3:5, 3:22, 5:5

Not much can be said but this, the English written translations do justice to the Greek in this passage.

This translation of this passage is simpler to understand and does not yield any of the logical incongruities the other thought pattern yields, and losely matches the usage pattern of υποτεταγμενα found in the bible for this word, and the word volume in the Greek language. The interesting part is that in order to view this passage with the idea in mind that nothing has been put under his feet yet, we must completely ignore the passage in Ephesians 1, and also the beginning portion of the passage in Hebrews, this states that all things have been put under his feet. The reason the word obey is better for this passage is contained in 2 parts, one that if we were to be commanded to die by him, or he commanded an earthquake to happen, it would, this is control over the obedience of the laws of the World, however because people are sensitive possessing free thought, our mental obedience is not there, and that is the knowledge that could be understood in this passage. With this thought in mind we should rather understand, that we are to obey Jesus, and know that all who have not taken his name aren’t biddable, and there are those who have taken his name that are staining their garments with disobedience. Consider the passages in whole, there is no doubt of what was being said there, other interpretation causes a complete breakdown of all logic.

How is it possible for all to not be under his feet when in Ephesians the bible says all things are?

How is it possible to have “…εδοθη μοι πασα εξουσια εν ουρανω και επι γης” and have something that is not subject to your will?

The logical incongruities to say other than what has been stated are staggering.

Next let us consider whether or not Jesus is settled before God, in God’s house, and Kingdom. Matt 28:18 pretty much establishes Jesus’ authority under God, as of now, over the earth and in the heavens. Acts 1:1 to 11, shows that he did indeed ascend. Hebrews 4:14, 5:10, 6:20, 8:1 to 2 that he is now our High Priest after the order of Melchizedek, as Chosen by God. Rev 3:21 that he is “και εκαθισα μετα του πατρος μου εν τω θρονω αυτου”, and at the Right hand 1 Peter 3:22, although this is a permanent relationship and a place, (see Psalms 16:6, Psalms 98:1, Psalms 110:5).

There has been a minor movement to attempt a future tense interpretation of Jesus sitting with God in his throne of the passage in Rev 3:21:

Revelation 3:21 ο νικων δωσω αυτω καθισαι μετ εμου εν τω θρονω μου ως καγω ενικησα και εκαθισα μετα του πατρος μου εν τω θρονω αυτου

It has been pointed out to me the verb tensing of “set” in Rev 3:21 is critical to understand. Having looked into this, when translated to English, the word “set”, in the Greek aorist tense, which only describes one action, not a repeated series of actions, can been read in context . This is in terms of sentence grammar, and not in terms of the conversation. As a whole, due to the grammar context reaching past, say as many words as a person could say in one breath, would be to misapply the grammatical context. What this means is that attaching a past present or future tense idea to the word is not wise unless the context around the word is taken into account, when translating to English. The cause of this is that the Aorist tense in the Greek contains more information concerning past, present, future, and duration, than does the English. There is another part of the Greek called an active voice which also occurs in the word as well as the word overcame, which is an action done by the subject of the sentence. What this means is that the Greek aorist adopts the previous tense in a sentence due to context.

There are 2 instances of this word in the passage but the way they are spelled is not the same. The first in the phrase δωσω αυτωκαθισαι “will give him to sit (infinite future)” and the second και εκαθισα μετα του πατρος “and am sitting (active indicative) the Father”.

Now the point that was being made before concerning the context of the rest of the sentence comes into play, in the portion of the verse about “him that overcometh” is future tense, and very few would dispute this. The last portion concerning Jesus is active indicative. The indicative is a mood is used to state the facts. This way the Greek wording and grammar is used in the passage leaves no doubt as to the factual nature of Jesus sitting with God in his throne now.

Also, as pointed out by a sister the word “in, εν” should be taken into account as well. While some may say this could have meant the word “by”, this is not true. The reason for this is some words in the Greek language translated as “by” here are some παρα, δια, εξ, εκ, κατ, κατα, καθ. “παρα” is the one meaning “by” that actually has the sense of the meaning of near. The word “en” is in fact always used in scripture the same way we use it in the English language, and is the etymological root of origin of our modern word “in”. What this means is that from the Greek language it is best to interpret this how we use the English word “in”.

Revelation 1:1 to 6 αποκαλυψις ιησου χριστου ην εδωκεν αυτω ο θεος δειξαι τοις δουλοις αυτου α δει γενεσθαι εν ταχει και εσημανεν αποστειλας δια του αγγελου αυτου τω δουλω αυτου ιωαννη ος εμαρτυρησεν τον λογον του θεου και την μαρτυριαν ιησου χριστου οσα ειδεν μακαριος ο αναγινωσκων και οι ακουοντες τους λογους της προφητειας και τηρουντες τα εν αυτη γεγραμμενα ο γαρ καιρος εγγυς ιωαννης ταις επτα εκκλησιαις ταις εν τη ασια χαρις υμιν και ειρηνη απο θεου ο ων και ο ην και ο ερχομενος και απο των επτα πνευματων α ενωπιον του θρονου αυτου και απο ιησου χριστου ο μαρτυς ο πιστος ο πρωτοτοκος των νεκρων και ο αρχων των βασιλεων της γης τω αγαπωντι ημας και λουσαντι ημας απο των αμαρτιων ημων εν τω αιματι αυτου και εποιησεν ημας βασιλειαν ιερεις τω θεω και πατρι αυτου αυτω η δοξα και το κρατος εις τους αιωνας των αιωνων αμην

In context this passage is talking about the throne of God in verse 4. This gives the context of what type of throne. Note that this is a throne the 7 spirits are before. It is this type of throne, and King capacity that Jesus “sets with his father”, at this time. This in addition to Matthew 28:18. Now will these things change in the future, no, only growth and manifestation will occur, as we all know that David‘s throne and kingdom, and the Great White throne on the earth, and Judgment throne, are yet to occur. Now the argument could be this, when Jesus returns to the earth he is leaving his seat, and no longer permanent, however using the precedence of Matt 27:46, along with the whole host of examples in the old testament of when Jewish Kings of old went to war, or were captured, we come to comprehend that the position and title before God remains. God’s presence will still be with Jesus unlike when he died, and just because someone “gets up” to do action, does not mean they cease to rule, and even as David moved his throne, so also shall Jesus in the Last Age, and we know without a doubt that David remained a king even though his seat of power shifted, and expanded. Thus it is seen, an only future interpretation of Jesus sitting at the right hand in the throne of God is incorrect.

Zechariah 3:9

כי הנה האבן אשׁר נתתי לפני יהושׁע על אבן אחת שׁבעה עינים הנני מפתח פתחה נאם יהוה צבאות ומשׁתי את עון הארץ ההיא ביום אחד

Revelation 5:6 και ειδον εν μεσω του θρονου και των τεσσαρων ζωων και εν μεσω των πρεσβυτερων αρνιον εστηκος ως εσφαγμενον εχον κερατα επτα και οφθαλμους επτα α εισιν τα επτα πνευματα του θεου αποστελλομενα εις πασαν την γην

Consider the meaning of the seven eyes, first it should be known the 7 eyes are the seven spirits, concerning this there are 3 distinct but true thought;

1) The eyes are the ecclesiae, and reflect the good and unacceptable.

Matthew 6:22 to 23 ο λυχνος του σωματος εστιν ο οφθαλμος εαν ουν ο οφθαλμος σου απλους η ολον το σωμα σου φωτεινον εσται εαν δε ο οφθαλμος σου πονηρος η ολον το σωμα σου σκοτεινον εσται ει ουν το φως το εν σοι σκοτος εστιν το σκοτος ποσον

Proverbs 6:23

כי נר מצוה ותורה אור ודרך חיים תוכחות מוסר

2) The eyes are attitudes, and knowledge taught within the ecclesiae, the words in Matt 6 lends credibility to this, some eyes are darkened having unacceptable knowledge and some eyes are enlightened and have knowledge of God, the portions of Rev. speaking to the ecclesiae embrace this also.

3) The word spirit, pneuma in the Greek, means breath and has a connection to speech as it is not possible to speak with no breath. In Genesis 1 there are 7 types of life in the creation: grass, trees, water creatures, fowl, cattle, creeping things, and mankind. It is possible the seven spirits describe the word or breath of life God gives to his creation.

These ideas are not incompatible with each other, and serve to reinforce the comprehension of the stone with seven eyes. First the stone is Jesus, who is our foundation.

1 Corinthians 3:11 θεμελιον γαρ αλλον ουδεις δυναται θειναι παρα τον κειμενον ος εστιν ιησους χριστος

1 Corinthians 10:4 και παντες το αυτο πομα πνευματικον επιον επινον γαρ εκ πνευματικης ακολουθουσης πετρας η δε πετρα ην ο χριστος

1 Peter 2:5 to 10 και αυτοι ως λιθοι ζωντες οικοδομεισθε οικος πνευματικος ιερατευμα αγιον ανενεγκαι πνευματικας θυσιας ευπροσδεκτους τω θεω δια ιησου χριστου διοτι περιεχει εν τη γραφη ιδου τιθημι εν σιων λιθον ακρογωνιαιον εκλεκτον εντιμον και ο πιστευων επ αυτω ου μη καταισχυνθη υμιν ουν η τιμη τοις πιστευουσιν απειθουσιν δε λιθον ον απεδοκιμασαν οι οικοδομουντες ουτος εγενηθη εις κεφαλην γωνιας και λιθος προσκομματος και πετρα σκανδαλου οι προσκοπτουσιν τω λογω απειθουντες εις ο και ετεθησαν υμεις δε γενος εκλεκτον βασιλειον ιερατευμα εθνος αγιον λαος εις περιποιησιν οπως τας αρετας εξαγγειλητε του εκ σκοτους υμας καλεσαντος εις το θαυμαστον αυτου φως οι ποτε ου λαος νυν δε λαος θεου οι ουκ ηλεημενοι νυν δε ελεηθεντες

Second because the eyes are the spirits, these are those with the knowledge of God who are in life, or have the breath of life.

1 John 3:13 & 14 μη θαυμαζετε αδελφοι μου ει μισει υμας ο κοσμος ημεις οιδαμεν οτι μεταβεβηκαμεν εκ του θανατου εις την ζωην οτι αγαπωμεν τους αδελφους ο μη αγαπων τον αδελφον μενει εν τω θανατω

Typically, legally, or positionally, baptized believers are “in life”, unless as stated above they hate their brethren.

1 John 5:11 to 13 και αυτη εστιν η μαρτυρια οτι ζωην αιωνιον εδωκεν ημιν ο θεος και αυτη η ζωη εν τω υιω αυτου εστιν ο εχων τον υιον εχει την ζωην ο μη εχων τον υιον του θεου την ζωην ουκ εχει ταυτα εγραψα υμιν τοις πιστευουσιν εις το ονομα του υιου του θεου ινα ειδητε οτι ζωην αιωνιον εχετε και ινα πιστευητε εις το ονομα του υιου του θεου

1 Peter 3:7 to 8 οιανδρεςομοιωςσυνοικουντεςκαταγνωσινωςασθενεστερωσκευειτωγυναικειωαπονεμοντεςτιμηνωςκαισυγκληρονομοιχαριτοςζωηςειςτομηεγκοπτεσθαιταςπροσευχαςυμωντοδετελοςπαντεςομοφρονεςσυμπαθειςφιλαδελφοιευσπλαγχνοιφιλοφρονες

1 Timothy 4:8 to 9 η γαρ σωματικη γυμνασια προς ολιγον εστιν ωφελιμος η δε ευσεβεια προς παντα ωφελιμος εστιν επαγγελιαν εχουσα ζωης της νυν και της μελλουσης πιστος ο λογος και πασης αποδοχης αξιος

The core of the passages above helps us to understand “in life” means the heirs to the promise of grace of eternal life.

The end result of this consideration is this, Jesus, when he had ascended, was given the authority, rule and possession of those that follow him, as we see in Zechariah 3:9 and the reflections of this in Revelation 2 and 3, and as we all teach it is the rock that destroys the Babylonian image “in one day” that being the typical day after Jesus’ return. The time reference splits midway through this verse, as often is the case in biblical interpretation, and the rest of the body of this article provides the information necessary to support this.

The whole book of Hebrews is dedicated to understanding the Priesthood after the order of Melchizedek, and is necessary for the complete understanding of not only the priesthood, but any current king role of Jesus. In chapters 7 & 5 we read.

Hebrews 7:1 to 3 ουτοςγαρομελχισεδεκβασιλευςσαλημιερευςτουθεουτουυψιστουοσυναντησαςαβρααμυποστρεφοντιαποτηςκοπηςτωνβασιλεωνκαιευλογησαςαυτονωκαιδεκατηναποπαντωνεμερισεναβρααμπρωτονμενερμηνευομενοςβασιλευςδικαιοσυνηςεπειταδεκαιβασιλευςσαλημ οεστινβασιλευςειρηνηςαπατωραμητωραγενεαλογητοςμητεαρχηνημερωνμητεζωηςτελοςεχωναφωμοιωμενοςδετωυιωτουθεουμενειιερευςειςτοδιηνεκες

Hebrews 5:9 & 10 καιτελειωθεις εγενετοτοιςυπακουουσιναυτωπασιναιτιοςσωτηριαςαιωνιουπροσαγορευθειςυποτουθεουαρχιερευςκατατηνταξινμελχισεδεκ

Ok, so we repeat what others have said. God appointed Jesus as a High Priest in the order of Melchizedek, when he was made perfect, and more specifically a King to justify his called out ones, Romans 4:25 to 5:2, and after this a King of peace. What often tends to happen is that King of justification, or King of Right, tends to get mis-translated as King “who will be” with no attention paid to “first being”. Paul does not express a future tense view of the Kingship with this phrase, or that thought in the book of Hebrews. What is presented is a 2 stage fulfillment of the King role, and does say we have a High Priest which is so much greater than Aarons high priest order. The passage in Ezekiel is the place the phrase comes from and the phrase in Hebrew reads “until he comes whose verdict is given” having said that Jesus’ verdict has been given by God.

Ezekiel 21:26 to 27

כה אמר אדני יהוה הסיר המצנפת והרים העטרה זאת לא זאת השׁפלה הגבה והגבה השׁפיל עוה עוה עוה אשׂימנה גם זאת לא היה עד בא אשׁר לו המשׁפט ונתתיו

Thus “whose verdict is given”.

It is worthy to note, that diadem refers to the priest mitre, and is shown as diadem once here in Ezek. The word crown is the one used in reference to the crown of the kings. So the concept of King & Priest position is exhibited in this passage. We know Jesus has taken a High Priest position which is much greater than those of the Levites.

Hebrews 9:24 ου γαρ εις χειροποιητα αγια εισηλθενο χριστος αντιτυπα των αληθινων αλλ εις αυτον τον ουρανον νυν εμφανισθηναι τω προσωπωτουθεουυπερημων

Exodus 28:4

ואלה הבגדים אשׁר יעשׂו חשׁן ואפוד ומעיל וכתנת תשׁבץ מצנפת ואבנט ועשׂו בגדי קדשׁ לאהרן אחיך ולבניו לכהנו לי

If we compare this to the dress and attire required to enter into the most holy place, then we must accept that Jesus has already been given the metaphorical mitre of priesthood, as he has already entered into the Most Holy of Holy Places. It is proper to understand that even as the most holy place in the temple and tabernacle were “figures of the true” so also is the attire of High-Priest.

Therefore, remember that the 3 overturnings were not just in reference to the kingdom being overthrown, but also the priesthood. There are a number of different ideas on what this is in Christadephia, some of them agreeable to the idea that this has been complete and others not. However, Jesus is the one known to have a verdict given to him on his life. The fact Jesus has already been placed in the role of High Priest, and overshadows the priesthood of Aaron, shows the passage about the priests mitre has already been achieved. It should be noted, the writings of the pioneers rather than discuss the crown, they speak of the throne while quoting the text of the crown. The throne of course is distinct and not the same item as the crown, and is misdirection rather than an answer. The throne is indeed future, while the crown, is a metaphor for present authority

If we consider that Jesus shows forth the “figures of the true” concerning the priesthood, and also that Ezekiel 21:26 & 27 mention a crown, perhaps we ought to think of the King items as figures also.

The overturning of the Kingship happened for sure once if not thrice, those instances are recorded and well documented. The first is recorded in 2 Kings 25. The second and third are recorded in the books of the Macabee overthrows. The fact of the matter is ever since the Macabee overthrows there has, other than Jesus, never been an Israeli King who was a Jew. 70 AD during the fall of Jerusalem cannot be an event of fulfillment for this prophecy, because the book of Hebrews was written previous to this time, and the profane Jews had no king whose crown might be removed, and the high priest of the Aaronic priesthood no longer had any godly authority.

Now there is also view to consider, how exactly does the promise get attached to us at baptism instead of “excision of foreskin”, why is this important? The importance comes in how we gain our citizenship of the commonwealth of Israel, and later pertains to the chronology of events in which Jesus satisfied prophecy in the New Testament. We all know the Jews became Jews at circumcision or birth, but we do not become “of Israel” at either, but at baptism. Let us take a look in Ephesians 2.

Ephesians 2:11 to 17 διομνημονευετεοτιυμειςποτεταεθνηενσαρκιοιλεγομενοιακροβυστιαυπο τηςλεγομενηςπεριτομηςενσαρκιχειροποιητουοτιητεεντωκαιρωεκεινωχωριςχριστουαπηλλοτριωμενοιτηςπολιτειαςτουισραηλκαιξενοιτωνδιαθηκωντηςεπαγγελιαςελπιδαμηεχοντεςκαιαθεοιεντωκοσμωνυνιδεενχριστωιησουυμειςοιποτεοντεςμακρανεγγυςεγενηθητεεντωαιματιτουχριστου αυτοςγαρεστινηειρηνηημωνοποιησαςτααμφοτεραενκαιτομεσοτοιχοντουφραγμουλυσαςτηνεχθρανεντησαρκιαυτουτοννομοντωνεντολωνενδογμασινκαταργησαςινατουςδυοκτισηενεαυτωειςενακαινονανθρωπονποιωνειρηνηνκαιαποκαταλλαξητουςαμφοτερουςενενισωματιτωθεωδιατουσταυρουαποκτειναςτηνεχθρανεναυτωκαιελθωνευηγγελισατοειρηνηνυμιντοιςμακρανκαιτοιςεγγυς

Galations 6:16 to 17 καιοσοιτωκανονιτουτωστοιχησουσινειρηνηεπαυτουςκαιελεοςκαιεπιτονισραηλτουθεουτουλοιπουκοπουςμοιμηδειςπαρεχετωεγωγαρταστιγματατουκυριουιησουεντωσωματιμουβασταζω

The point is, we have a current in the now citizenship of the Israel of God, not the one of the profane Jews which is a democracy. The words for commonwealth, and fellowcitizen translate to citizen, and co-citizen. The secondary point but just as important as the first is that Jesus is the entry point to the citizenship. A third view is that Jesus is the peace with God “For he is our peace” Ephesians 2:14, and this relates to the King of Peace from Hebrews 7, but just in the sense which we have sacred peace with God as “the Israel of God” through baptism, and not in any other sense at this time. A fourth view is we do not have a commonwealth type of government, as the original word means citizenship. This is necessary to understand. Some use this as an explanation to avoid accepting the current monarchy governmental explanations.

Now let us consider when we are baptized we are stamped so to speak with the blood of Jesus, this is alike how the earthy kingdoms citizens are given citizenship by the dominant authority or king in the land. At the same time we must also acknowledge the atonement for sin in the flesh, along with previous sins of commission/omission/ignorance. Under the Law given to Moses, there were provisions for the Priest to give sacrifices for both atonement, and sins of commission/omission/ ignorance, notice the power to perform the cutting of the flesh was not specifically given in the Law to priests, but we can see through biblical anecdote that this capacity was given to non-priest leaders, and family elders, Genesis 17, Genesis 34, Exodus 4, Joshua 5. Thinking upon this let us read.

Romans 15:8 & 9 λεγωδεχριστονιησουνδιακονονγεγενησθαιπεριτομηςυπεραληθειαςθεουειςτοβεβαιωσαιταςεπαγγελιαςτωνπατερωνταδεεθνηυπερελεουςδοξασαιτονθεονκαθωςγεγραπταιδιατουτοεξομολογησομαισοιενεθνεσινκαιτωονοματισουψαλω

Colossians 2:10 to 13 και εστε εν αυτω πεπληρωμενοι ος εστιν η κεφαλη πασης αρχης και εξουσιας εν ω και περιετμηθητε περιτομη αχειροποιητω εν τη απεκδυσει του σωματος των αμαρτιων της σαρκος εν τη περιτομη του χριστου συνταφεντες αυτω εν τω βαπτισματι εν ω και συνηγερθητε δια της πιστεως της ενεργειας του θεου του εγειραντος αυτον εκ των νεκρων και υμας νεκρους οντας εν τοις παραπτωμασιν και τη ακροβυστια της σαρκος υμων συνεζωοποιησεν υμας συν αυτω χαρισαμενος ημιν παντα τα παραπτωματα

English Standard Version.

Phillipians 3:2 to 5 βλεπετετουςκυναςβλεπετετουςκακουςεργαταςβλεπετετηνκατατομηνημειςγαρεσμενηπεριτομηοιπνευματιθεουλατρευοντεςκαικαυχωμενοιενχριστωιησουκαιουκενσαρκιπεποιθοτεςκαιπερεγωεχωνπεποιθησινκαιενσαρκιειτιςδοκειαλλος πεποιθεναιενσαρκιεγωμαλλον περιτομηοκταημεροςεκγενουςισραηλφυληςβενιαμινεβραιοςεξεβραιωνκατανομονφαρισαιος

This should be simple to understand, let us take notice of another point, Jesus was neither our father, or mother, or city leader. How then and by what authority except a God appointed leadership role did Jesus pass this on to us? If we say by the priest position, or perhaps prophet, then we should notice a considerable lack of any priest or prophet, including Melchizedek, in the bible to have been recorded to circumcise anyone. It then could only be, the Kingship or Judge positions, the only other positions Jesus could have had, and are the only positions given the capacity for crowd “excision of foreskin”, that in fact are routes of control by which we become citizens. This however is not the case if we ponder the following.

1 Samuel 8:1 to 6

ויהי כאשׁר זקן שׁמואל וישׂם את בניו שׁפטים לישׂראל ויהי שׁם בנו הבכור יואל ושׁם משׁנהו אביה שׁפטים בבאר שׁבע ולא הלכו בניו בדרכו ויטו אחרי הבצע ויקחו שׁחד ויטו משׁפט ויתקבצו כל זקני ישׂראל ויבאו אל שׁמואל הרמתה ויאמרו אליו הנה אתה זקנת ובניך לא הלכו בדרכיך עתה שׂימה לנו מלך לשׁפטנו ככל הגוים וירע הדבר בעיני שׁמואל כאשׁר אמרו תנה לנו מלך לשׁפטנו ויתפלל שׁמואל אל יהוה

2 Timothy 4:1 διαμαρτυρομαιουνεγωενωπιοντουθεουκαιτουκυριουιησουχριστουτουμελλοντοςκρινεινζωνταςκαινεκρουςκατατηνεπιφανειαναυτουκαιτηνβασιλειαναυτου

We will find in 1 Samuel the Cause of the children of Israel requested a King, were Eli had corrupt sons who were perverting judgment and the result was that God acquiesced to that request, and gave them a Man to Judge them. It is at the creation of the King position in Israel the title and duties of Judge were combined with the position, upon this all modern king examples are founded. Now a person might be able to find proof for the levitical priests applying this among Israel, however, that information would be found among the scriptures of the rabbi’s and not within the biblical text we have today.

If however this is disputed, when we also consider Ezra, Nehemiah, and others coming after this event who were judges, we will also find that their authorities were given and dictated by the kings of the nations who were in rule over Israel, after which at no point the institution of King position was ever the role of Judge to become ascendant again.

There have been ideas, brought up that perhaps Jesus has been the Head or Lord over the household of God, and this voids the kingly position. Let us now review this idea as it conflicts with the other established point.

1 Peter 4:17 οτιοκαιροςτουαρξασθαιτοκριμααποτουοικουτουθεουειδεπρωτοναφημωντιτοτελοςτωναπειθουντωντωτουθεουευαγγελιω

This verse and the verse previous describe believers as the house of God.

1 Peter 2:5 καιαυτοιωςλιθοιζωντεςοικοδομεισθεοικοςπνευματικοςιερατευμααγιονανενεγκαιπνευματικαςθυσιαςευπροσδεκτουςτωθεωδιαιησουχριστου

This verse and the ones around it prove that Jesus is the foundation of that house and builder.

Hebrews 10:21 και ιερεα μεγαν επι τον οικον του θεου

Jesus is the high priest of the house of God.

Hebrews 3:6 χριστοςδεωςυιοςεπιτονοικοναυτουουοικοςεσμενημειςεανπερτηνπαρρησιανκαιτοκαυχηματηςελπιδοςμεχριτελουςβεβαιανκατασχωμεν

Jesus is the Son over the house.

Acts 2:36 ασφαλωςουνγινωσκετωπαςοικοςισραηλοτικαικυριονκαιχριστοναυτονοθεοςεποιησεντουτοντονιησουνονυμειςεσταυρωσατε

Some would say this passage means Jesus is Lord over the house of Israel. One quick point to consider, is the house of Israel the house of God? Remember, all those Scribes, Sadducees, Pharisees, and others who sought to murder Jesus crucifying him? Are we to suppose presume here after his ascension they are part of the house of God, or are they rather part of the tree that was cut down? Matthew 3:10 It makes much more sense to view the house of Israel separate to the House of God.

Colossians 1:18 καιαυτοςεστινηκεφαλητουσωματοςτηςεκκλησιαςοςεστιναρχηπρωτοτοκοςεκτωννεκρωνιναγενηταιενπασιναυτοςπρωτευων

Ephesians 5:23 οτιανηρεστινκεφαλητηςγυναικοςωςκαιοχριστοςκεφαλητηςεκκλησιαςκαιαυτοςεστινσωτηρτουσωματος

Ephesians 4:15 to 16 αληθευοντεςδεεναγαπηαυξησωμενειςαυτονταπανταοςεστινηκεφαληοχριστοςεξουπαντοσωμασυναρμολογουμενονκαισυμβιβαζομενονδιαπασηςαφηςτηςεπιχορηγιαςκατενεργειανενμετρωενοςεκαστουμερουςτηναυξησιντουσωματοςποιειταιειςοικοδομηνεαυτουεναγαπη

The head of the body is a part of the body, while a foundation of a house is part of the house…. this does not translate to head of the house, this is the position of God over the House of God and the reason it is called for God.

Genesis 17:23

ויקח אברהם את ישׁמעאל בנו ואת כל ילידי ביתו ואת כל מקנת כספו כל זכר באנשׁי בית אברהם וימל את בשׂר ערלתם בעצם היום הזה כאשׁר דבר אתו אלהים

This verse upholds this concept, the house is owned by the one whose name it takes, and the head the person who the house is named for. Thus Jesus is the son and priest of the House of God but not the head of the house.

This is a different idea than the one presented with the understanding of the ecclesial body. In this Jesus is called the head, the difference is Jesus is part of, and attached to the body as the source of all commands passed. We have an express example of this type in symbol in the cherub. Below a verse shows the 4 faces.

Ezekiel 1:10

ודמות פניהם פני אדם ופני אריה אל הימין לארבעתם ופני שׁור מהשׂמאול לארבעתן ופני נשׁר לארבעתן

For the sake of this work the face applicable is the lion face, which is the type of kingship.

Proverbs 19:12(19:13)

שׁגיאות מי יבין מנסתרות נקני

Proverbs 20:2

נהם ככפיר אימת מלך מתעברו חוטא נפשׁו

Revelation 5:5 καιειςεκτωνπρεσβυτερωνλεγειμοιμηκλαιειδουενικησενολεωνοεκτηςφυληςιουδαηριζαδαδ οανοιγων τοβιβλιονκαιταςεπτασφραγιδαςαυτου

So first we find with the head over the body of called out ones there is a logic path back to the King position, via the face of a lion. So if an individual holds Jesus as the head attempting to use it to disprove the current king position Jesus owns, the threads of truth leads us right back to the view of him as the King now yet again. Note, the passage in Revelation 5:5 is past tense and has already happened, if the opening and reading of the scroll is future tense, then our interpretation of prophecy would have to switch to an idea other than the continuous historic interpretation. We know the scroll has been read, the information within given to John to record, and many of the seal prophecies have achieved. Thus Jesus is the current “Lion from the tribe of Judah”, and has since before the writing of the book of revelation.

Now it is at this junction we ought to think over government, to see if there is a documented government Jesus could be King over.

Philippians 3:20 ημωνγαρτοπολιτευμα ενουρανοιςυπαρχειεξου και σωτηρα απεκδεχομεθακυριονιησουνχριστον

Some get stuck on this verse. The word conversation has a sense like that of Ephesians 2, but they are not the same words, the dominant definition in Ephesians is citizenship, the word in Philippians is of the same structure, but defines the word here politeuma as community, and is a singular noun, whereas the word for fellowcitizens is plural. This seems confusing, but a better opinion with a little research is the definition in Strong’s isn’t accurate. Here is the definition from The Centre for the Greek Language, from www.greek-language.gr.

From: http://www.greek-language.gr

“The political system of organization and exercise of power in a country based on the Constitution… The set of rules governing the exercise of political power in a country…”

We find our governance is with God, while we the citizens remain on the land. This is very important information because for this reason we are citizens of “Israel of God” and are citizens on the earth, while the governance is in heaven. This shows the past accurately as God setup the Jews as a country, instead of wresting the bible with doctrine of heaven ascension which humankind ascends to.

With this firm in mind let us examine these passages.

Hebrews 5:9 καιτελειωθεις εγενετοτοιςυπακουουσιναυτωπασιναιτιοςσωτηριαςαιωνιου

Hebrews 13:7 to 9 μνημονευετετωνηγουμενωνυμωνοιτινεςελαλησανυμιντονλογοντουθεουωναναθεωρουντεςτηνεκβασιντηςαναστροφηςμιμεισθετηνπιστινιησουςχριστοςχθεςκαισημερονοαυτοςκαιειςτουςαιωναςδιδαχαιςποικιλαιςκαιξεναιςμηπαραφερεσθεκαλονγαρχαριτιβεβαιουσθαιτηνκαρδιανουβρωμασινενοιςουκωφεληθησανοιπεριπατησαντες

There are ideas in these passages to think about and compare with the King position. First point is this, the position Jesus holds is “High Priest after the order of Melchisedec”. Then next is valuable, the anointment Jesus will be the same and not change again. The idea of ever having another anointment will never happen again, as Christ means anointed. The third point is, the word for interpretation in Hebrews 7, is ερμηνευομενος. The outcome is a word which means “a man with signs like hermes”. The most major sign, and the only one of interest to the conversation is by pagan notion of the apostles times, hermes flew between heaven and earth. This is not to say Jesus is a pagan god, in fact in old records we read Christians were apostate due to pagan knowledge, but the person who wrote the Hebrews attempted to convey the sameness in correlation with the phrase “King of Righteousness”.

Another view to consider with these passages is the phrase “and after that also King of Salem”. The Greek text records this ἔπειτα which is understood as “after that” “then” or “afterward” in terms of time and in conversation context. This section is future tense, or conversation sense, conditional on the way a person views the matter. The “and after that King of Salem” does not negate the “first being by interpretation King of Righteousness” which in fact does not interfere with the other statement at all. The passage “King of Salem” is the sense of peace Jesus has brought between us and God now. Because the proclamation at Jerusalem, we know the reign at Jerusalem at this time has not happened yet.

Romans 5:1 to 2 δικαιωθεντεςουνεκπιστεωςειρηνην εχομενπροςτονθεονδιατουκυριουημωνιησουχριστουδιουκαιτηνπροσαγωγηνεσχηκαμεντηπιστειειςτηνχαρινταυτηνενηεστηκαμενκαικαυχωμεθαεπελπιδιτηςδοξηςτουθεου

It is at this juncture we ought to review an idea which was published, and spoken to see if this has merit. The idea we question is significance to the “returning from the slaughter of the kings” of Hebrews 7:1 in relation to latter day event, and Jesus is not yet a High Priest of the order of Melchizedek, but rather Mediator, or just High Priest at this time.

Beginning in Hebrews ch. 7 we read to ch. 8 we come to this passage.

Hebrews 8:1 κεφαλαιονδεεπιτοιςλεγομενοιςτοιουτονεχομεναρχιερεαοςεκαθισενενδεξιατουθρονουτηςμεγαλωσυνηςεντοιςουρανοις

This due to context means we now do have a High Priest of the order of Melchizedek, this is present tense. If then what Hebrews states about Jesus is true, then Jesus as less is flawed. Perhaps the transcribers were mistaken let us review with this verse.

Hebrews 5:10 προσαγορευθειςυποτουθεουαρχιερευςκατατηνταξινμελχισεδεκ

Someone was mistaken, the error with reading this verse in the Greek and using what are called morphology codes. The words “the order of”, carry two different morphology codes. Funny as it may seem someone must have been hasty in their read. Thus we see current view is true “High priest after the order of Melchizedek” which is “first being by interpretation King of righteousness”. The view of the “Battle of the Kings” of prophecy taking place previous to the completion of the previous statement isn’t supported in evidence of basic of biblical comparisons, thus it is untrue and should not be taught.

Genesis 14:18

ומלכי צדק מלך שׁלם הוציא לחם ויין והוא כהן לאל עליון

King of Right, King of Salem(peace), brought bread, wine, him the acting priest of the Almighty EL

Ok first it should be noted, Jesus was a righteous person, but he also had the birthright, and led the righteous, and was called the Son of God fulfilling that portion of the Davidic promise. All of these come first in the chronology.

The second point in chronology is the pronouncement of Jesus as king at Jerusalem by the people. Let us view Zechariah 9:9

גילי מאד בת ציון הריעי בת ירושׁלם הנה מלכך יבוא לך צדיק ונושׁע הוא עני ורכב על חמור ועל עיר בן אתנות

Now let us look at the bible record.

Matthew 21:1 to 11 with other passages.

1 “και οτε ηγγισανεις ιεροσολυμα και ηλθονειςβηθσφαγη…” (“…καιβηθανιαν…” Luke 19:29) “…προςτοοροςτωνελαιωντοτεοιησουςαπεστειλενδυομαθητας”

2 “λεγωναυτοιςπορευθητεειςτηνκωμηντηναπεναντιυμωνκαιευθεωςευρησετεονονδεδεμενηνκαιπωλονμεταυτης…”(“…εφονουδειςπωποτεανθρωπωνεκαθισεν…”Luke 19:30) “…λυσαντεςαγαγετεμοι

3 “καιεαντιςυμινειπη…”(“…τιποιειτετουτο…”Mark 11:3 “…ερωταδιατιλυετεουτως…”Luke 19:31) “…τιερειτεοτιοκυριοςαυτωνχρειαν εχειευθεωςδεαποστελλειαυτους”

4 “τουτοδεολονγεγονενιναπληρωθητορηθενδιατουπροφητουλεγοντος”

5 “ειπατετηθυγατρισιωνιδουοβασιλευςσουερχεταισοιπραυςκαιεπιβεβηκωςεπιονονκαιπωλονυιονυποζυγιου”

6 “πορευθεντεςδεοιμαθηταικαιποιησαντεςκαθωςπροσεταξεναυτοιςοιησους

(Mark 11:4 to 6 “…καιευρονπωλονδεδεμενονπροςτηνθυρανεξωεπιτουαμφοδουκαιλυουσιναυτον καιτινεςτωνεκειεστηκοτωνελεγοναυτοιςτιποιειτελυοντεςτονπωλονοιδεειποναυτοιςκαθωςενετειλατοοιησουςκαιαφηκαναυτους”)

7 “ηγαγοντηνονονκαιτονπωλονκαιεπεθηκανεπανωαυτωνταιματιααυτωνκαιεπεκαθισενεπανωαυτων” 8 “ο δε πλειστος οχλος εστρωσαν εαυτων τα ιματια εν τη οδω αλλοι δε εκοπτον κλαδους απο των δενδρων…” (“…ελαβον τα βαια των φοινικων και εξηλθον εις υπαντησιν αυτω…” John 12:13) “…και εστρωννυον εν τη οδω “

9 “οιδεοχλοιοιπροαγοντεςκαιοιακολουθουντεςεκραζονλεγοντεςωσαννατωυιωδαυιδευλογημενοςοερχομενοςενονοματικυριουωσανναεντοιςυψιστοις”John 12:13 “…καιεκραζονωσανναευλογημενοςοερχομενοςενονοματικυριουβασιλευςτουισραηλ”

“ευλογημενηηερχομενηβασιλειαενονοματικυριουτουπατροςημωνδαυιδωσανναεντοιςυψιστοις” Mark 11:10

10 “καιεισελθοντοςαυτουειςιεροσολυμαεσεισθηπασαηπολιςλεγουσατιςεστινουτος“

11 “οιδεοχλοιελεγονουτοςεστινιησουςοπροφητηςοαποναζαρεττηςγαλιλαιας”

Luke 19:37 to 40 “εγγιζοντος δε αυτου ηδη προς τη καταβασει του ορους των ελαιων ηρξαντο απαν το πληθος των μαθητων χαιροντες αινειν τον θεον φωνη μεγαλη περι πασων ων ειδον δυναμεων λεγοντες ευλογημενος ο ερχομενος βασιλευς εν ονοματι κυριου ειρηνη εν ουρανω και δοξα εν υψιστοις και τινες των φαρισαιων απο του οχλου ειπον προς αυτον διδασκαλε επιτιμησον τοις μαθηταις σου και αποκριθεις ειπεν αυτοις λεγω υμιν οτι εαν ουτοι σιωπησωσιν οι λιθοι κεκραξονται”

ALL of this was done due to Jesus initiating it, by the will of God. Also the New Testament account in Matthew and John speak of Zechariah 9:9 as complete or Jesus had done as it was written. The exact phrase “so that it might be fulfilled” occurs in Matthew 4:14, 8:17, 12:17, 13:35, 26:56, John 12:38, 15:25, 17:12, 18:9, 18:32, 19:24, 19:28. These passages are valuable to our faith, in context the phrase “so that it might be fulfilled” really means this was finished.

If we cast doubt on this passage, then we risk doubting the rest, and make the doctrines ineffectual? To think so is against the bible, and bears a high chance of one thinking this shaming of his self at the judgment. Was Zechariah 9:9 fulfilled? Two apostles agree, and they were inspired, so the writer would have to agree. Well what does this mean in total? It means Jesus was at the time the King of Israel, anointed and proclaimed. This flows with the passage of Nathanael, and helps it make more sense. With these 2 passages we understand Jesus did not rebuke his disciples for the view he was the King, to the contrary first he blessed him, and then rebuked the Pharisees for requesting him to rebuke the multitude saying “υμιν οτι εαν ουτοι σιωπησωσιν οι λιθοι κεκραξονται”, reinforcing the statements the multitude had made. One more view to consider is Jesus was “lowly” which he won’t be when he returns, he will return in the very exactness of might, honor, and dignity, in which he has been described as within Rev 5:5, and was described within John 1:29 as “the lamb of God”.

For those viewing this as a double fulfillment, or not fulfilled:

The word cometh in Zechariah 9:9 in the Hebrew it is בּוא said “bow” and means “to go” or “to come”. The simplicity of it adds no additional connotation. The word only describes a singular simple movement action from one place to another. In other words, the phrasing of the original prophecy only allows that this could be done once.

There have been some ideas expressed by others that perhaps the “multitude of the disciples” were not baptized, or perhaps didn’t know Jesus, or weren’t knowledgeable and were mistaken in shouting what they did. First we know this was not a mistake, because the response that Jesus gives. Second, these knew who Jesus was, they were in his presence at that time, and no doubt helped announce this. Third, Greek word disciple, μαθητης, means learner or pupil, and so the connection can be made that these people learned from Jesus enough to validate their baptisms, especially when compared to Mark 1:5 “και εξεπορευετο προς αυτον πασα η ιουδαια χωρα και οι ιεροσολυμιται και εβαπτιζοντο παντες εν τω ιορδανη ποταμω υπ αυτου εξομολογουμενοι τας αμαρτιας αυτων” We find in this instance is the ingredients for baptism were met by the occupants then. They had knowledge of Jesus, they were baptized for sins, and they had also learned other teachings from him, and so were not ignorant. Last, in those days, in order to learn from another person else the only option was to go to Jesus and to learn from him, as no gospel or writing of any sort had yet to be penned, this alone establishes a undisputable fact that these people had to have met and knew who he was, and knew his face, something we all these years later have never experienced. Thus we find any attempt to reject the sincerity of the situation, multitude involved, or execution to fall short of bible truth.

The third point in chronology is Mark.

Mark 14:22 to 25 “καιεσθιοντωναυτωνλαβωνοιησουςαρτονευλογησαςεκλασενκαιεδωκεναυτοις και ειπενλαβετεφαγετετουτοεστιντοσωμαμουκαιλαβωντοποτηριονευχαριστησαςεδωκεναυτοιςκαιεπιονεξαυτουπαντεςκαιειπεναυτοιςτουτοεστιντοαιμαμουτοτηςκαινηςδιαθηκηςτοπεριπολλωνεκχυνομενον αμηνλεγωυμινοτιουκετιουμηπιωεκτουγενηματοςτηςαμπελουεωςτηςημεραςεκεινηςοταναυτοπινωκαινονεντηβασιλειατουθεου”

We all trust this and hold this every Sunday, this is the delivery of the bread and wine from Genesis 14:18.

And the last point in chronology is the action as priest by offering himself on the cross.

Mark 15:37 to 38 “οδειησουςαφειςφωνηνμεγαληνεξεπνευσενκαιτοκαταπετασματουναουεσχισθηειςδυοαποανωθενεωςκατω

Hebrews 10:19 to 21 “εχοντεςουναδελφοιπαρρησιανειςτηνεισοδοντωναγιωνεντωαιματι ιησουηνενεκαινισενημινοδονπροσφατονκαιζωσανδιατουκαταπετασματοςτουτεστιντηςσαρκοςαυτουκαιιερεαμεγανεπιτονοικοντουθεου

We understand Jesus kept the pattern of the writing in Genesis 14:18 to the letter in his life and death, to deny this is to deny our salvation.

Yet another easy to be understood point is within John 1:47 to 51.

“ειδενοιησουςτονναθαναηλερχομενονπροςαυτονκαιλεγειπεριαυτουιδεαληθωςισραηλιτηςενωδολοςουκεστινλεγειαυτωναθαναηλποθενμεγινωσκειςαπεκριθηιησουςκαιειπεναυτωπροτουσεφιλιππονφωνησαιονταυποτηνσυκηνειδονσεαπεκριθηναθαναηλκαιλεγειαυτωραββισυειουιοςτουθεουσυειοβασιλευςτουισραηλαπεκριθηιησουςκαιειπεναυτωοτιειπονσοιειδονσευποκατωτηςσυκηςπιστευειςμειζωτουτωνοψεικαιλεγειαυτωαμηναμηνλεγωυμιναπαρτιοψεσθετονουρανονανεωγοτακαιτουςαγγελουςτουθεουαναβαινονταςκαικαταβαινονταςεπιτονυιοντουανθρωπου”

You will notice the lack to confirm, or rebuke in the passage, however if we consider the following passages of Matthew 8:5 to 13, 9:1 to 3, 28 to 30, 11:2 to 6, 15:21 to 28, and other new testament text, we find it wasn’t usually Jesus method of instructing to provide easy yes or no reply, but rather to bless for yes and an upbraid for no. In this instance with Nathaniel yet another blessing, this was Jesus method of positive idea reinforcement. To say Jesus said neither yes or no, while technically accurate, does not express intent the intent was to get the disciple to embrace this idea, which we ought to be able to.

To learn more about positive reinforcement and what it is please view some child raising booklets, or check up on this with the internet. This is concept isn’t new, just technical phrases to explain the reward, risk system taking place in a teaching or child raising environment. There are a number of different types of reinforcement. One of them is negative reinforcement, which is what Jesus did to the Pharisees, Scribes, and Sadducees. These subjects are worth learning even if an individual never applies the knowledge to the subject at hand.

This pattern is common in the New Testament, and there are yes and no answers given by Jesus through the New Testament, a quick search for yes, yea, no, and not, will net a variety of passages with Greek words rendered as no or yes in circumstances than when Jesus was speaking. Performing a quick search for the Greek numbers provides a few passages where Jesus says no or yes in the Greek tongue. One wonders it is the bible scholars didn’t interpret this easier to fathom for other folks is any ones guess, perhaps they were thinking it would just be more like a sage in their view. The absence of either doesn’t conflict with or negate the observable positive reinforcement in the situation at hand. None of us has ever been favored with the view of “heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of man.” What a great and good faith bolstering blessing this must have been to see.

Let us then look into the Greek of what Nathaniel says.

“thou art the King of Israel”

“συ ει ο βασιλευς του ισραηλ”

συP-2NS ει V-PAI-2S οT-NSM βασιλευςN-NSM τουT-GSM ισραηλN-PRI

Ok, here we have a many symbols, numbers, codes, and so forth. The great thing is the garble is actually to supposed help interpret the Greek. In this passage the Greek to English word count is the same and is in fact translated word for word, in the exact sequence we say the same when we speak. Notice in this code there are no F’s this means that nothing in the sentence is either future tense or feminine. The other portion in the passage this could be misconstrued as future tense is the Greek word “συ”. Let us take a look at the morphological code.

P-2NS

Part of Speech: Personal pronoun

Person: second [you]

Case: Nominative (subject; predicate nominative)

Number: Singular

The only noticeable thing here is this predicate nominative case, which is a super fancy name for something simple, and does sound like future tense if one doesn’t look up the grammar term. What is found is a predicate nominative case is very simple. It is basically the math equivalent of the = sign. The following is an example.

We are Brethren. Thus We = Brethren

The word “are” is the predicate nominative in the English. In the Greek the predicate nominative is attached to the word for thou “συ”. So when we read “thou art the King of Israel” that in the English language is literally what was meant to be said by Nathaniel in the Greek language. What this means for us is that we have an example of a disciple who thought Jesus was the King of Israel, at the time he spoke. If we compare this to John 17:12 “οτε ημην μετ αυτων εν τω κοσμω εγω ετηρουν αυτους εν τω ονοματι σου ους δεδωκας μοι εφυλαξα και ουδεις εξ αυτων απωλετο ει μη ο υιος της απωλειας ινα η γραφη πληρωθη”, then we know that Nathaniel was not lost in faith for his belief that Jesus is King. What this means for us is that due to Jesus’ lack of rebuke, and Nathaniel’s position concerning his faith, the fact that he was not counted among the lost, that it should not be considered a sin, or incorrect doctrine, or an abominable thing to say that Jesus is the King of Israel. It is worth noting that Nathaniel is not recorded in scripture to have ever changed his view.

There are at this juncture other scriptural fulfillments to consider. If we look in Job 11:11 to 19 we read.

כי הוא ידע מתי שׁוא וירא און ולא יתבונן ואישׁ נבוב ילבב ועיר פרא אדם יולד אם אתה הכינות לבך ופרשׂת אליו כפך אם און בידך הרחיקהו ואל תשׁכן באהליך עולה כי אז תשׂא פניך ממום והיית מצק ולא תירא כי אתה עמל תשׁכח כמים עברו תזכר ומצהרים יקום חלד תעפה כבקר תהיה ובטחת כי ישׁ תקוה וחפרת לבטח תשׁכב ורבצת ואין מחריד וחלו פניך רבים

We see here that men are likened to the ass’s colt, we should recognize the symbolic language. The passage in Genesis 49 has to do with the prophecy of Jacob about Judah.

Genesis 49:11

אסרי לגפן עירה ולשׂרקה בני אתנו כבס ביין לבשׁו ובדם ענבים סותה

John 15:1 εγω ειμι η αμπελος η αληθινη και ο πατηρ μου ο γεωργος εστιν

Now if Zechariah 9:9 were not fulfilled, then men ”the donkey’s colt” would not be bound to Jesus “the true vine” What’s our only binding to Jesus and therefore Yahweh? Baptism. Please also notice the official calling of the nations did not happen until after this event. The specifics of the binding are related to the before conversation on “excision of foreskin” and kingship, and how typically Jesus “rides” or rules, the nations.

Genesis 49:9 to 12

גור אריה יהודה מטרף בני עלית כרע רבץ כאריה וכלביא מי יקימנו לא יסור שׁבט מיהודה ומחקק מבין רגליו עד כי יבא שׁילה ולו יקהת עמים אסרי לגפן עירה ולשׂרקה בני אתנו כבס ביין לבשׁו ובדם ענבים סותה חכלילי עינים מיין ולבן שׁנים מחלב

Judah is shown in the concordance as “celebrated”, and the symbol of king is the lion, Proverbs 19:12, 20:2, Job 10:15 to 17, Proverbs 28:1, Isaiah 31:4 to 5 equates the roar of the lion to the wrath of the lord of hosts, and in places are referenced for their ferocity. This portion in symbol reads “The celebrated one is the son of a fierce king”. Thinking upon previous conversation this makes sense, fits, and has been complete.

“from the prey, my son, you have gone up”

Prey in concordance means rent, torn or prey, and gone up, literally means, ascend. So we have “from the rending, my son you have ascended”. If we look in Matt 27:50 & 51, Mark 15:37 & 38, and Hebrews 10:19 & 20 we find the curtain of his body between most holy and holy place was rent, and of course we could look at his ascending into heaven as the ascension, so this portion also has been appeased.

“He stooped down”

Bows here is bent or sink or prostrate, and down means to depress in homage, or worship.

“he prostrated himself in worship”

“he lies down as a lion”

The word for lies down in the Hebrew is to rest on all fours or crouch, this is neat because it describes a certain action of lions, that of waiting to pounce at the right time to attack its prey, during this time a pays attention to the prey, let us keep this in mind.

“he rests, waits, and pays close attention as a fierce king” This is his position now.

This is a more complete symbölic interpretation.

Genesis 49:9 to 11 “The celebrated one is a fierce kings son; from the rending, my son, you have ascended, he prostrated himself in reverence, he pauses, halts, and pays attention as a vicious emperor, and as a angry vicious emperor who shall remove him? The branch shall not finish from commemoration, never shall decrees separate his feet, until peace comes, and to him shall be the acquiescence of the congregation. Binding his gentiles to the house of God, and gentile sons to the royalty…”

It is these passages we see in prophetic format the ideology of Jesus is a King while having been in ascension. The only time in the 7000 year plan of God this could be is between his ascension and his return. It is not probable this passage corresponds to anything else. There have been ideas forwarded the word for “young” ought to be immature, and then this is perpetuated through the verse, however there are 3 separate references here to the word lion, one in youth, one in maturity, and one with anger. These are 3 different ideas presented, manifested by 3 different words used to describe this. 1) aryay goor – lion cub 2) aryay – lion 3) laybaweem – lion that roars. This of course matches the rest of the bible as it should. We know Jesus is the first fruits, first fruits are those that become mature first, like he is mature now, to say therefore that he has not reached full maturity yet is a fable and ought to be shunned. On the topic of the difference between a lion and a lion that roars we see in Proverbs 19:12 comparing a king to the lion and his wrath to the roaring. There are also a number of other ideas that show forth correlations to the life of Jesus in the 3 points of growth mentioned in this passage, one of them is that male lion cubs are often killed by the father. Also, as it is written in the following passage, as just the Lamb of God, Jesus would have been out of character to do the following.

John 2:14 to 16 καιευρενεντωιερωτουςπωλουνταςβοαςκαιπροβατακαιπεριστεραςκαιτουςκερματισταςκαθημενουςκαιποιησαςφραγελλιονεκσχοινιωνπανταςεξεβαλενεκτουιερουτατεπροβατακαιτουςβοαςκαιτωνκολλυβιστωνεξεχεεντοκερμακαιταςτραπεζαςανεστρεψενκαιτοιςταςπεριστεραςπωλουσινειπεναρατεταυταεντευθενμηποιειτετονοικοντουπατροςμουοικονεμποριου

The most curious point is this, namely that as lion cubs do not kill their food, and instead give non-killing strikes, toys with their meat, this parable matches the activities of the lion cub, but not as a lamb, a lamb has no inclination or ability to deliver blows, save a head-bump, which ironically Jesus did frequently in type to the Pharisees via the logic he has spoken. The type of the ram embraces this idea, because a rams also can deliver blows, and this overlaps with the type of the lion cub. Another good view is this, the types of foundations concepts, lamb, lion, door, foundation, head, son, way, seed, all overlap and teach different concepts.

1 Corinthians 15:22 to 23 “ωσπεργαρεντωαδαμπαντεςαποθνησκουσινουτωςκαιεντωχριστωπαντεςζωοποιηθησονται εκαστοςδεεντωιδιωταγματιαπαρχηχριστοςεπειταοιτουχριστουεντηπαρουσιααυτου”

There have been thoughts questioning whether or not Jesus had ever exercised rule as a King, let us consider them.

Luke 22:29 to 30 “καγωδιατιθεμαιυμινκαθωςδιεθετομοιοπατηρμουβασιλειανιναεσθιητεκαιπινητεεπιτηςτραπεζηςμουεντηβασιλειαμουκαικαθισεσθεεπιθρονωνκρινοντεςταςδωδεκαφυλαςτουισραηλ”

Luke 22 verse 30 has differences in the major texts. The incompatible text has been truncated so as to not allow a lie to be accidentally taught. The sections “in my kingdom” and “the twelve tribes of” are not consistently represented by power of 3 witnesses.

2 Corinthians 10:15 “ουκ εις τα αμετρα καυχωμενοι εν αλλοτριοις κοποις ελπιδα δε εχοντες αυξανομενης της πιστεως υμων εν υμιν μεγαλυνθηναι κατα τον κανονα ημων εις περισσειαν”

Now if Jesus was just lord at this time, could he have had the command then to allot someone else as royalty, or to pick them a future throne? An appointment and promise is different, the appointment is done by the King, and a promise however does not require kingly authority. This placement of rule was not given as a promise. The proof is afterwards in New Testament record the twelve had command over the disciples, otherwise the command to make certain decisions regarding the doctrine, and worshippers, would not have been in their command. The twelve were set apart a command before God, as Jesus at this time had the right to do so.

Let us look at another case.

Acts 1:1 & 2 τονμενπρωτονλογονεποιησαμηνπεριπαντωνωθεοφιλεωνηρξατοοιησουςποιειντεκαιδιδασκειν αχριηςημεραςεντειλαμενοςτοιςαποστολοιςδιαπνευματοςαγιουουςεξελεξατοανεληφθη

Just to show Jesus had the right to give commands through the spirit to the disciples. This in combination with the direct call to Paul, Acts 9, and the vision to Ananias about Paul very shows the right of Jesus to command from his current position. The truth is he was specifically selected by Jesus, is notable. Let us review verses about ambassadorship regarding Jesus words and the words of Paul about his part.

Luke 14:31 to 33 ητιςβασιλευςπορευομενοςσυμβαλεινετερωβασιλειειςπολεμονουχικαθισαςπρωτονβουλευεταιειδυνατοςεστινενδεκαχιλιασιναπαντησαιτωμεταεικοσιχιλιαδωνερχομενωεπαυτονειδεμηγεετιπορρωαυτουοντοςπρεσβειαναποστειλαςερωταταπροςειρηνηνουτωςουνπαςεξυμωνοςουκαποτασσεταιπασιντοιςεαυτουυπαρχουσινουδυναταιμουειναιμαθητης

2 Corinthians 5:20 υπερ χριστου ουν πρεσβευομεν ως του θεου παρακαλουντος δι ημων δεομεθα υπερ χριστου καταλλαγητε τω θεω

Ephesians 6:20 υπερ ου πρεσβευω εν αλυσει ινα εν αυτω παρρησιασωμαι ως δει με λαλησαι

This idea of having sent an ambassador is relevant to the kingship. It portrays how a ruler of a country operates, rather than how a son of a household operates. Paul is well known to have gone before many kings, ruler, governors, and the emperor Caesar at the time in his ministry, and in fact fell asleep in Roman hands in Rome itself. This is no coincidence as the very organization Jesus will destroy in the first battle when he returns will be against Gog and the Catholic Papacy, as well as the nations of the world.

There is another point to show here, if an individual were to attempt to try to discredit the ambassadorship of Paul, by proving he was God appointed and not Jesus appointed, then there would be the possibility of Trinitarian doctrine, beginning to influence our belief structure because of the 2 Lords argument that supporters of Trinitarian views often use with Acts 9.

Acts 1:6 & 7 οιμενουνσυνελθοντεςεπηρωτωναυτονλεγοντεςκυριεειεντωχρονωτουτωαποκαθιστανειςτηνβασιλειαντωισραηλειπενδεπροςαυτουςουχυμωνεστινγνωναιχρονουςηκαιρουςουςοπατηρεθετοεντηιδιαεξουσια

This text is usually used to disprove Jesus current king position. As previously illustrated, there was an active ambassadorship and method of gaining citizenship, both being ideas directly associated with the devices of how a kingdom operates. Those ideas are quite provable, and cannot be negated by this verse. (For the sake of others we will use the term “Rule”) So what does this mean? A clue is found in the word “restore”. This on face value wouldn’t seem interesting. First let us look at some verses, and then the word structure.

Matthew 12:13 τοτελεγειτωανθρωπωεκτεινοντηνχειρασουκαιεξετεινενκαιαποκατεσταθηυγιηςωςηαλλη

Mark 8:24 to 25 καιαναβλεψαςελεγενβλεπωτουςανθρωπουςοτιωςδενδραορωπεριπατουντας ειταπαλινεπεθηκενταςχειραςεπιτουςοφθαλμουςαυτουκαιεποιησεναυτοναναβλεψαικαιαποκατεσταθηκαιενεβλεψεντηλαυγωςαπαντας

In order to restore an object it must have existed. Just as the hand and eyes in the other passages which were withered or broken. With this we understand the disciples were asking about a country which existed, not one that had been wiped out of existence. The Israel of God has never ceased to be, it has its citizens, it has its ambassadors, it has its governance from the heaven, and though still waiting for the right time the land is there. This of course is not the same as the secular Jewish nation, which will eventually be usurped and replaced with the Israel of God. Now let us look into the word structure of “restore” a bit more, because it is at this juncture we may find more to understand.

(a) Apo-kata-histemi

(b) “To put away the low standing”

What the Apostles were asking is when the shameful standing the Kingdom of Israel is in would be removed and the glory and majesty promised would be given unto it. This obviously has not been done yet. We are still waiting for the time appointed. Jesus answered it was not theirs to know.

Concentrating on the confession of Jesus.

Luke 23:2 ηρξαντοδεκατηγορειναυτουλεγοντεςτουτονευρομενδιαστρεφοντατοεθνοςκαικωλυοντακαισαριφορουςδιδοναιλεγονταεαυτονχριστονβασιλεαειναι

Matt 27:11 οδειησουςεστηεμπροσθεντουηγεμονοςκαιεπηρωτησεναυτονοηγεμωνλεγωνσυειοβασιλευςτωνιουδαιωνοδειησουςεφηαυτωσυλεγεις

John 18:34 to 38 απεκριθηαυτωοιησουςαφεαυτουσυτουτολεγειςηαλλοισοιειπονπεριεμουαπεκριθηοπιλατοςμητιεγωιουδαιοςειμιτοεθνοςτοσονκαιοιαρχιερειςπαρεδωκανσεεμοιτιεποιησαςαπεκριθηιησουςηβασιλειαηεμηουκεστινεκτουκοσμουτουτουειεκτουκοσμουτουτουηνηβασιλειαηεμηοιυπηρεταιανοιεμοιηγωνιζοντοινα μηπαραδοθωτοιςιουδαιοιςνυνδεηβασιλειαηεμηουκεστινεντευθενειπενουναυτωοπιλατοςουκουνβασιλευςεισυαπεκριθη ιησουςσυλεγειςοτιβασιλευςειμιεγωεγωειςτουτογεγεννημαικαιειςτουτοεληλυθαειςτονκοσμονιναμαρτυρησωτηαληθειαπαςοωνεκτηςαληθειαςακουειμουτηςφωνηςλεγειαυτωοπιλατοςτιεστιναληθειακαιτουτοειπωνπαλινεξηλθενπροςτουςιουδαιουςκαιλεγειαυτοιςεγωουδεμιαναιτιανευρισκωεναυτω

Matt 27:12 καιεντωκατηγορεισθαιαυτον( πολλα Mark 15:3) υποτωναρχιερεωνκαιτωνπρεσβυτερωνουδεναπεκρινατο

Matt 27:13 τοτελεγειαυτωοπιλατος(ουκαποκρινηουδενιδεποσασουκαταμαρτυρουσινMark 15:4) ουκακουειςποσασουκαταμαρτυρουσιν

Matt 27:14 καιουκαπεκριθη(οδειησους Mark 15:5) αυτωπροςουδεενρημαωστεθαυμαζειντονηγεμοναλιαν

Luke 23:4 οδεπιλατοςειπενπροςτουςαρχιερειςκαιτουςοχλουςουδενευρισκωαιτιονεντωανθρωπωτουτω

John 18:36 απεκριθηιησουςηβασιλειαηεμηουκεστινεκτουκοσμουτουτουειεκτουκοσμουτουτουηνηβασιλειαηεμηοιυπηρεταιανοιεμοιηγωνιζοντοιναμηπαραδοθωτοιςιουδαιοιςνυνδεηβασιλειαηεμηουκεστινεντευθεν

(c) John 18:36 Jesus responded ” my rule/realm does not exist from the world, if this rule/realm existed from the world then my subordinates would struggle wishing the negation of surrender to the Judeans now, and My rule/realm does not exist here.”

The previous is a direct translation of the Greek. Now some use this verse to say Jesus rule or kingdom does not exist. If we interpret the word βασιλεια , kingdom in the KJV as rule, then it should be pointed out, either as King, Prince, or Lord, his rule must exist for us to have been given commandments to follow, without rule he would be without authority. On the other hand, if we think there is no kingdom now in any form, and if we interpret βασιλεια to mean kingdom, then we must remove all of the governmental, citizenship, laws, and legal explanations from our beliefs, because they are all based on the government structure of a Monarchy, in other words quoting the bible “Kingdom”. The explanation fits with this verse the best is as follows.

First, take note of differences between the two translations, εκ, in the KJV “of”, and from my translation “from”.

The difference between the definition and KJV in this case really has a large impact on understanding. The point to be made here is of course the might and rule Jesus has does not come from worldly sources, but rather from God.

Now for the last portion of the verse “and My rule/realm does not exist here.”

We ought to view the context of where Jesus was and who he was speaking to. We know he was speaking to Pilate, and we know in John 28:18 he was in “The hall of Judgment”, and this was owned by the Roman Empire at the time. It should be understood this was a specific place mentioned where his rule and realm didn’t exist, and this would have been due to him standing in a judgment hall of the Roman Empire, before a person who was not circumcised or baptized into the citizenship of the Israel of God, who was there to enforce the rule of the Roman Empire. What King retains rule in a foreign country? Was Jesus anointed and proclaimed King over more than the covenanted, will he ever be a King over a nation other than Israel without conquering and “grinding it into dust”? No King rules a foreign country unless the country has been conquered, and Jesus was not proclaimed King over more than the covenanted people, and had not conquered the Roman Empire yet. Let us not get stuck on one verse and take a look at another verse also, because even though this passage by some may be viewed as Jesus denying his Kingship, rule, and/or kingdom in reality he doesn’t do so.

John 18:37 ειπενουναυτωοπιλατοςουκουνβασιλευςεισυαπεκριθηιησουςσυλεγειςοτιβασιλευςειμιεγωεγωειςτουτογεγεννημαικαιειςτουτοεληλυθαειςτονκοσμονιναμαρτυρησωτηαληθειαπαςοωνεκτηςαληθειαςακουειμουτηςφωνης

This verse ought to remind us of another one.

Matthew 2:1 & 2 του δε ιησου γεννηθεντος εν βηθλεεμ της ιουδαιας εν ημεραις ηρωδου του βασιλεως ιδου μαγοι απο ανατολων παρεγενοντο εις ιεροσολυμα λεγοντες που εστιν ο τεχθεις βασιλευς των ιουδαιων ειδομεν γαρ αυτου τον αστερα εν τη ανατολη και ηλθομεν προσκυνησαι αυτω

A cursory examination of the last 2 verses show Jesus never does deny anything about his Kings position at this time, but rather reinforces what was said about him since the time of his birth. This was the cause of his birth, the reason for his existence. Upon reflection with the passages concerning the wise men, if we are to take the stance Jesus was not yet king, then they would have lied to Herod, why then does God warn them in a dream if they were in fact a pack of liars? Do you the reader consider those wise me to be liars in that they did not say “born to be King of the Jews”? It would be an error to say that they were. If we say to ourselves “Well I think that’s what they mean” upon what fact is this thought based on? Is this not mere opinion that conflicts with the presented facts? It is at this point we should remind ourselves of 1 Corinthians 4:6 quoted from the 1965 Bible in Basic English.

1 Corinthians 4:6 to 7 ….. so that in us you might see that it is not wise to go farther than what is in the holy Writings, so that no one of you may be lifted up against his brother. For who made you better than your brother? or what have you that has not been given to you? but if it has been given to you, what cause have you for pride, as if it had not been given to you?

1 Corinthians 4:6 to 7 ….. Ιναενημινμαθητετομηυπερογεγραπταιφρονεινιναμηειςυπερτουενοςφυσιουσθεκατατουετερουτιςγαρσεδιακρινειτιδεεχειςοουκελαβεςειδεκαιελαβεςτικαυχασαιωςμηλαβων

1 Timothy 6:13 to 16 παραγγελλωσοιενωπιοντουθεουτουζωοποιουντοςταπαντακαιχριστου ιησουτου μαρτυρησαντοςεπιποντιουπιλατουτηνκαληνομολογιαντηρησαισετηνεντοληνασπιλονανεπιληπτονμεχριτηςεπιφανειαςτουκυριουημωνιησουχριστουηνκαιροιςιδιοιςδειξειομακαριοςκαιμονοςδυναστηςοβασιλευςτωνβασιλευοντωνκαικυριοςτωνκυριευοντωνομονοςεχωναθανασιανφωςοικωναπροσιτονονειδενουδειςανθρωπωνουδειδεινδυναταιωτιμηκαικρατοςαιωνιοναμην

The word in verse 14 is appearing the greek ἐπιφάνεια a manifestation this term is commonly used in Christadelphia in regards to God manifestation. So let’s pose this thought to consider, if God hasn’t been fully made manifest is he still God? Likewise also isn’t Jesus the King although the manifestation is not yet full? Aren’t we Sons of God even though we have not been manifested in immortality yet? Upon consideration of these logical arguments one must concede the answer to them must be the same. If one were to say that the word times reflects only the specific time of the kingdom age, then an examination of the word times in verse 15 must take place, this word καιροις. Kairos means occasions, and is plural. So then we turn again to the only logical conclusion, this is speaking of a set times of his manifestation of king position. It is quite interesting to note, because the word kairos is plural and not singular, the prophecy in Genesis 49 provides a direct match to the stages of the “Lion of the tribe of Judah”. To add to this thought consider in verse 13 the words good confession. Καλην, virtuous, and ομολογιαν,to acknowledge, which is to say much of the argumentation over his confession to Pilate has now been confirmed as a positive proof that he is indeed King of Right. This right, has two aspects one of righteousness of a sinless life, one of rule over the righteous.

Let us now consider another fringe point. If we turn to Zechariah 3, and consider the change of raiment, in comparison with is found within Matthew 17:2, Mark 9:3, Revelation 1:12 to 17, 19:16, we shall find a change of raiment after the death of Christ, his “new raiment”, furthermore, if you look in chapter 1 of Revelation, notice the differing portions of clothing are mentioned. The point of looking into this is we have no known recorded evidence prophetic or otherwise to indicate the garments imparted to Jesus after his ascension are not the ones worn in Rev. 19, and in Isaiah 63, this noticeable dearth of evidence in itself should indeed put our minds on high alert. After all because we do not have the information, it is possible the garments Jesus is currently wearing may have this embroidery on them already “King of kings and Lord of lords”. The only recorded event having to do with his garments after his return is the staining of them, at no point is it recorded the embroidery upon them is added after his return. It is for this reason it is not possible to say he is not our King yet.

In order to show the fullness of the research which went into this last statement here is list of all of the Hebrew and Greek words which were searched for in the bible, these are all words having to do with clothing or embroidery.

H145, H155, H899, H1264, H1545, H2487, H3671, H3682, H3801, H3830, H3831, H3847, H3848, H4055, H4060, H4063, H4254, H4403, H4594, H4598, H5497, H6310, H7757, H7897, H8008, H8071, H8162, H7553, G294, G1463, G1737, G1742, G1746, G1902, G2066, G2067, G2439, G2440, G2441, G2689, G3608, G4016, G4018, G4158, G4470, G4616, G4683, G4749, G5509, G5511

Two passages were found which could possibly negate this thought.

Isaiah 59:17

וילבשׁ צדקה כשׁרין וכובע ישׁועה בראשׁו וילבשׁ בגדי נקם תלבשׁת ויעט כמעיל קנאה

This is obviously metaphorical language concerning the anger of God, as the word for Lord in the surrounding scripture is Yahweh, it does not apply to Jesus.

The second is Isaiah 22:20-22, to completely understand the text a better translation is necessary, as follows.

Isaiah 22:20 to 22

והיה ביום ההוא וקראתי לעבדי לאליקים בן חלקיהו והלבשׁתיו כתנתך ואבנטך אחזקנו וממשׁלתך אתן בידו והיה לאב ליושׁב ירושׁלם ולבית יהודה ונתתי מפתח בית דוד על שׁכמו ופתח ואין סגר וסגר ואין פתח

Being symbolically translated:

“His day will exist I, YAHWEH, will address my servant the mighty one of raising, the builders of Yahweh’s portion, and cloth and cover with strength, girding him with the rule in hand and he shall exist a chief sitting in Jerusalem the house of celebration, and the key of the house of the beloved will be given about his neck to open, and none shut, to shut and none open.”

Alright, the clothing in this passage could be interpreted, as possibly being viewed as the new garments, except this is speaking only of the strength in the great and terrible day of the Lord, and mentions no embroidery at all. There is no doubt this also is metaphor.

In fact upon examination, the word “hath” is present tense in Revelation 19:16, also Revelation 17:14 uses the present tense in describing “the Lamb” as King of Kings, and Lord of Lords. This is in conjunction with the following passages.

Revelation 1:5 to 6 καιαποιησουχριστουομαρτυςοπιστοςοπρωτοτοκοςτωννεκρωνκαιο αρχωντωνβασιλεωντηςγηςτωαγαπωντιημαςκαιλουσαντιημαςαποτωναμαρτιωνημωνεντωαιματιαυτουκαιεποιησενημαςβασιλειανιερειςτωθεωκαιπατριαυτουαυτωηδοξακαιτοκρατοςειςτουςαιωναςτωναιωνωναμην

What this means is at the time Revelation was scribed, Jesus was First of the Kings of the Earth. This thought process is compatible with first fruits ideology, and the passage in Genesis 49. The fact that this is recorded in the preamble of Revelation makes this quite obvious this is not part of the prophecy to follow, but rather a distinction which already existed at the time of writing. Also it would be a complete failure of logic to understand this to mean Jesus is prince to all of the Kings of the earth at this time, because this would place him under their rule at this time, and would be a direct contradiction to Ephesians 1: 21 & 22.

1 Peter 2:8 to 10 καιλιθοςπροσκομματοςκαιπετρασκανδαλουοιπροσκοπτουσιντωλογωαπειθουντεςειςοκαιετεθησανυμειςδεγενοςεκλεκτονβασιλειονιερατευμαεθνοςαγιονλαοςειςπεριποιησινοπωςταςαρεταςεξαγγειλητετουεκσκοτουςυμαςκαλεσαντοςειςτοθαυμαστοναυτουφωςοιποτεουλαοςνυνδελαοςθεουοιουκηλεημενοινυνδεελεηθεντες

1 Peter 2:8 to 10

and he is a stone that stubs; also she is a rock that snares who strikes the sayings of those that disbelieve; those who are also in place you and kin are a select king priest tribe, sacred people that the excellent celebrate, from the obscurity you were called into His glorious brightness, who were not a people in the past but now are God’s people, not without compassion, but with compassion.

This portion is written in the nominative “But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people” Ordinarily this wouldn’t mean much because the way grammar works, it defines this passage as a noun. Nouns need additional words to have more meaning, the reason why this should be in the present tense actually resides in verse 10 “but are now the people of God”. There is a word much later in the chapter in verse 20 which is future tense, and this is the word translated as patiently. This word is so far removed from verses 9 and 10 and in such different context the future tense cannot apply to this passage.

So God is King now, and Jesus though under him is also our King now, and we although under Jesus are to be considered as Kinglike and Priests now, an elect people of God. This is not to say we have the fullness of the future stations in the age to come, but as is later discussed are considered so in immaturity, as child kings and priests, and not as mature fruit, even though still fruit. Also, being part of the Melchizedek order is what frees us from the Law given to Moses by God. With this in mind we ought to act with integrity, knowledge, understanding, wisdom, and holiness.

Now concerning government, because of the way this last passage reads, both in the Greek and English concerning the present tense nature of our personal royalty and priesthood, it is not possible to have any other government than a monarchy, as no other governments have royals, or a King, except subtypes of this form of government. This of course was shown in Psalms 47, where the bible establishes God as King, who as we have shown has appointed Jesus as king under him. Now if we compare this to statements, like “There is no Kingdom of God in heaven” we find this lesson to fail, simply because God has been found to be a monarch. However if the statements was “ No man save Jesus Christ has ever or will ever see the Kingdom of God in heaven, until it arrives to earth”, then the statement would be true. (John 3:13, Acts 2:32 to 34, Hebrews 11:13, Revelation ch. 21) It should be rather obvious at this point after having studied the location God rules from, it would be impossible for there not to be a Kingdom there, however as we all know God’s plan is for his kingdom to come to earth. This is an important distinction because without the monarchy form of government many of the legal or law based explanations in scripture will fail. It takes a King to rule a patriarchy and appoint ambassadors, and a system of government establishes the existing legal system, and creates the laws and commandments govern the citizens. It is clear the apostles understood things in this manner due to James 2:8. The word there for royal is βασιλικον meaning “belonging to the sovereign”, and in layman’s terms “owned by the king”

“ειμεντοινομοντελειτεβασιλικονκατατηνγραφηναγαπησειςτονπλησιονσουωςσεαυτονκαλωςποιειτε”

God gave this command in the Old Testament, and Jesus also reaffirmed this in the New Testament repeated this. Thus if we have laws, we have a legal system, and where a legal system a government, and the government is a monarchy because we have a God as 1^st king, and Jesus as the 2^nd.

Concerning the Kingdom, as some are locked into the thinking of the natural man, it is necessary to show a few verses supporting the ideology of a change of statehood.

Colossians 1:12 to 14 ευχαριστουντεςτωπατριτωικανωσαντιημαςειςτηνμεριδατουκληρουτωναγιωνεντωφωτι οςερρυσατοημαςεκτηςεξουσιαςτουσκοτουςκαιμετεστησενειςτηνβασιλειαντουυιουτηςαγαπηςαυτουενωεχομεντηναπολυτρωσιναπολυτρωσινδιατουαιματοςαυτουτηναφεσιντωναμαρτιων

Colossians 1:12 to 14 thanking the Father, who endows me with a share of a portion consecrated in the light, which rescues me from the power of darkness and exchanges into the rule/realm of the Son with self sacrificing love to him, in which holds the ransom of the blood of him that pardons sin.

So first point, the word hath is Old English past tense equivalent to has, so this was something which already has been done, this is how the translators chose to translate this and has no bearing on the original Greek. Also the words for hath in the Greek are aorist, which is to be translated in context, but due to aorist being adoptive verbs fall back on the previous language in the verse speaking in present tense about giving thanks. However for all intents and purposes whether past or present the explanation remains the same, we are considered by God to be part of his Son’s rule at this time.

So what does it mean to be translated?

We find within μετεστησεν this word means to transfer, again the tensing is aorist, so again a contextual rendering, given that the rest of the passage and surrounding scripture are all in present tense, we find at baptism we were transferred into this kingdom of life, as heirs of the inheritance of it. The verses in chapter 1 provide plenty of proving ground concerning the “sprinkling of blood” and associate that with the transfer. There is no doubt for anyone who is well versed that this is speaking of baptism, and also of the memorial table, of which all members of the body of Christ have partaken of, and continue to partake. Now notice this is “the Kingdom of His dear Son” that we are specifically transferred into.

Romans 5:7 to 10 μολιςγαρυπερδικαιουτιςαποθανειταιυπεργαρτουαγαθουταχατιςκαιτολμααποθανεινσυνιστησινδετηνεαυτουαγαπηνειςημαςοθεοςοτιετιαμαρτωλωνοντωνημωνχριστοςυπερημωναπεθανεν πολλωουνμαλλονδικαιωθεντεςνυνεντωαιματιαυτουσωθησομεθαδιαυτουαποτηςοργηςειγαρεχθροιοντεςκατηλλαγημεντωθεω διατουθανατουτουυιουαυτουπολλωμαλλονκαταλλαγεντεςσωθησομεθαεντηζωηαυτου

Matthew 13:37 to 38 οδεαποκριθειςειπεναυτοιςοσπειρωντοκαλονσπερμαεστινουιοςτουανθρωπου οδεαγροςεστινοκοσμοςτοδεκαλονσπερμαουτοιεισινοιυιοιτηςβασιλειαςταδεζιζανιαεισινοιυιοιτουπονηρου

Matthew 8:10 to 12 ακουσαςδεοιησουςεθαυμασενκαιειπεντοιςακολουθουσιναμηνλεγωυμινουδεεντωισραηλτοσαυτηνπιστινευρονλεγω δε υμιν οτι πολλοι απο ανατολων και δυσμων ηξουσιν και ανακλιθησονται μετα αβρααμ και ισαακ και ιακωβ εν τη βασιλεια των ουρανων οι δε υιοι της βασιλειας εκβληθησονται εις το σκοτος το εξωτερον εκει εσται ο κλαυθμος και ο βρυγμος των οδοντων

It is of some note that here the “children of the kingdom” are the seeds. It should be noted that seeds are not fully matured plants, and because of this cannot represent a matured individual who has been perfected in Christ Jesus, as the parable dictates. It is important to note, that both the righteous and unrighteous are referred to as children of the kingdom by Jesus. This is an important teaching from the mouth of our master, who even at that time considered those in covenant to be of the kingdom, or of his rule. The fundamental change in nature for the believers come only after they have produced much fruit, there is a very large time reference of growth there, be that as it may, if any man can make a seed sprout and grow fruit in an instant, there still is the remaining barrier in difference of form between a seed and a fully grown plant to contend with, just as there is a difference in form between us as mortals now, and those made immortal in the future.

Psalm 145:9 to 11

טוב יהוה לכל ורחמיו על כל מעשׂיו יודוך יהוה כל מעשׂיך וחסידיך יברכוכה כבוד מלכותך יאמרו וגבורתך ידברו

Psalm 19:1 to 7 (1 to 8)

למנצח מזמור לדוד השׁמים מספרים כבוד אל ומעשׂה ידיו מגיד הרקיע יום ליום יביע אמר ולילה ללילה יחוה דעת אין אמר ואין דברים בלי נשׁמע קולם בכל הארץ יצא קום ובקצה תבל מליהם לשׁמשׁ שׂם אהל בהם והוא כחתן יצא מחפתו ישׂישׂ כגבור לרוץ ארח מקצה השׁמים מוצאו ותקופתו על קצותם ואין נסתר מחמתו תורת יהוה תמימה משׁיבת נפשׁ עדות יהוה נאמנה מחכימת פתי

The previous passages are in support of the idea of using the works of nature to show forth the intent and handiwork of God, with this understanding we find the concept valid and correct. Therefore, with due diligence consider that we are children who have been transferred to the kingdom of life, from the kingdom of death.

Romans 8:15 to 21 ου γαρ ελαβετε πνευμα δουλειας παλιν εις φοβον αλλ ελαβετε πνευμα υιοθεσιας εν ω κραζομεν αββα ο πατηρ αυτο το πνευμα συμμαρτυρει τω πνευματι ημων οτι εσμεν τεκνα θεου ει δε τεκνα και κληρονομοι κληρονομοι μεν θεου συγκληρονομοι δε χριστου ειπερ συμπασχομεν ινα και συνδοξασθωμεν λογιζομαι γαρ οτι ουκ αξια τα παθηματα του νυν καιρου προς την μελλουσαν δοξαν αποκαλυφθηναι εις ημας η γαρ αποκαραδοκια της κτισεως την αποκαλυψιν των υιων του θεου απεκδεχεται τη γαρ ματαιοτητι η κτισις υπεταγη ουχ εκουσα αλλα δια τον υποταξανταελπιδι οτι και αυτη η κτισις ελευθερωθησεται απο της δουλειας της φθορας εις την ελευθεριαν της δοξης των τεκνων του θεου

Reviewing what we’ve already gone over that God is manifested though we see him not, and Jesus has occasions of manifestation, we as Children of the Kingdom, await a time of manifestation of liberty. Does this make us less Children of the Kingdom? No, it only means we still await the manifestation of liberty, or the future change in appearance. The current position we have is not physically made manifested or full at this time.

It is at this juncture that a few more simple things must be mentioned it is illogical to presume that the throne makes the King, or the crown makes the King, or the garments make the King, or the land makes the King. As listed as following there is only one entity that can make a King, that is God. It should be noted the previous verse refers to land, however Jesus was in the land at the time of anointment and proclamation, so this is a not an issue. The reference to Deuteronomy 17:14

“…I will set a king over me, like as all the nations that are about me;” had already happened before Jesus’ time, as show in 1 Samuel 8: 18 & 19, thus that portion of scripture had already been fulfilled.

Deuteronomy 17:15

שׂום תשׂים עליך מלך אשׁר יבחר יהוה אלהיך בו מקרב אחיך תשׂים עליך מלך לא תוכל לתת עליך אישׁ נכרי אשׁר לא אחיך הוא

Once God has chosen the person, all other objects can be given to that person as visible signs of Kingship. A good example of this is found in the scriptures the word throne is never used in reference to Saul’s throne or David’s throne at all in 1 Samuel, nor is there mentioned anything to do with a crown until 2^nd Samuel, either in English or in the Hebrew. Remember our choice came at baptism.

Ponder upon and consider the scriptures and you will arrive at the understanding that man did not in any way cause these things to be fulfilled, but God was the one to choose to make these things happen. Who are we to disagree with “The Almighty One, The Impregnable, Who is and will be a battalion”.

Errors in Thinking

Please understand, concerning the following the author is not hating on anyone, stating that these thoughts are all errors is scripturally supported, and because of that this is more God’s advice than that of the authors. Two of the errors have already been discussed, one is in the way Jesus answered his followers to the affirmative, the other is the way in which the translators of scripture record “might be fulfilled” rather that “was fulfilled”. There are others some of the are:

Rejection of Jesus in the King position now.

Due to several passages and the understanding of their translations, it should be understood that those rejecting Jesus as King now will be cursed at the judgment.

Proverbs 24:21 to 22

ירא את יהוה בני ומלך עם שׁונים אל תתערב כי פתאם יקום אידם ופיד שׁניהם מי יודע

When translating means.

You revere Yahweh’s son the king do not change or blend casualy, sudden oppression and misfortune is double upon those knowledgeable.

1 Corinthians 16:22 ειτιςουφιλειτονκυριονιησουνχριστονητωαναθεμαμαραναθα

Anathema maranatha means cursed at the return of Jesus, the word for lord literally means supremacy or supreme in authority, the word for love is this verse is philio, meaning like. Here is another look at this verse.

“ If any man like not the supremacy of Jesus’ anointment, let him be cursed at the judgment”

Matthew 10:32 & 33 παςουνοστιςομολογησειενεμοιεμπροσθεντωνανθρωπωνομολογησωκαγωεναυτωεμπροσθεντουπατροςμουτουενουρανοιςοστιςδαναρνησηταιμεεμπροσθεντωνανθρωπωναρνησομαιαυτονκαγωεμπροσθεντουπατροςμουτουενουρανοις

Brothers and Sisters, denial of Jesus’ name, authority, and power is a very serious thing, please, please do not condemn yourself to Eternal Condemnation.

Matthew 12:32 και ος εαν ειπη λογον κατα του υιου του ανθρωπου αφεθησεται αυτω ος δ αν ειπη κατα του πνευματος του αγιου ουκ αφεθησεται αυτω ουτε εν τω νυν αιωνι ουτε εν τω μελλοντι

Acts 26:18 ανοιξαιοφθαλμουςαυτωντουυποστρεψαιαποσκοτουςειςφωςκαιτηςεξουσιαςτουσαταναεπιτονθεοντουλαβειναυτουςαφεσιναμαρτιωνκαικληρονεντοιςηγιασμενοιςπιστειτηειςεμε

Romans 2:1 to 8 διο αναπολογητος ει ω ανθρωπε πας ο κρινων εν ω γαρ κρινεις τον ετερον σεαυτον κατακρινεις τα γαρ αυτα πρασσεις ο κρινων οιδαμεν δε οτι το κριμα του θεου εστιν κατα αληθειαν επι τους τα τοιαυτα πρασσοντας λογιζη δε τουτο ω ανθρωπε ο κρινων τους τα τοιαυτα πρασσοντας και ποιων αυτα οτι συ εκφευξη το κριμα του θεου η του πλουτου της χρηστοτητος αυτου και της ανοχης και της μακροθυμιας καταφρονεις αγνοων οτι το χρηστον του θεου εις μετανοιαν σε αγει κατα δε την σκληροτητα σου και αμετανοητον καρδιαν θησαυριζεις σεαυτω οργην εν ημερα οργης και αποκαλυψεως και δικαιοκρισιας του θεου ος αποδωσει εκαστω κατα τα εργα αυτου τοις μεν καθ υπομονην εργου αγαθου δοξαν και τιμην και αφθαρσιαν ζητουσιν ζωην αιωνιον τοιςδεεξεριθειαςκαιαπειθουσινμεντηαληθειαπειθομενοιςδετηαδικιαθυμοςκαιοργη

In reading the previous passages of this portion what is found is that in a person if taught and educated concerning this thing continues in the fault due to personal competitive nature or stubbornness, things will not end well for them. If a person changes to follow God’s word in a pure fashion being meek and teachable, no permanent harm will come to them over this issue at the resurrection.

Believing that Jesus must live the exact pattern a David.

This is one of the most dangerous mental traps we could fall into concerning the kingship of Jesus. The reason for this is many people exist in the bible as types for Christ, we have never before had in our community such an interest in forcing Jesus into the pattern of someone else’s life before. The reason this is dangerous is that it could build a habit of force fulfullment concerning Jesus life to match the lives of others in an incorrect manner. Second, the way this is sometimes taught neglects verses and ideas below.

1 Samuel 21:2 (21:3)

ויאמר דוד לאחימלך הכהן המלך צוני דבר ויאמר אלי אישׁ אל ידע מאומה את הדבר אשׁר אנכי שׁלחך ואשׁר צויתך ואת הנערים יודעתי אל מקום פלני אלמוני

1 Samuel 21:8 (21:9)

ויאמר דוד לאחימלך ואין ישׁ פה תחת ידך חנית או חרב כי גם חרבי וגם כלי לא לקחתי בידי כי היה דבר המלך נחוץ

Now had David been speaking of Saul whom he was running from he would have been struck dead for lying in the tabernacle of God. Second, if the King in this passage was God, it would have been easier to have openly said God commanded him to do these things instead of disseminating. It is obvious David was using the command given to him by God to get what was necessary, while not revealing anything to his enemy Saul. Also remember David was capable of using misconceptions and dissemination against his enemies as he did both in the case of feigning madness, and with the battle against the Geshurites, Amalekites, and Gesrites.

Another thing to consider is the comparison between 1 Samuel 8:11 and later chapters in 1 Samuel. There were many things the people were told a king would do and several reasons they wanted a king in the first place. Interestingly enough David 1) appointed men for war 1 Samuel 8:11 found in 1 Samuel 22:2, 2) had the right to gather tithes 1 Samuel 8:15 found in 1 Samuel 25:7-8 & 18, and 3) went out to fight the battles for Israel 1 Samuel 8:20, happened 1 Samuel 23:1, and 1 Samuel 27:8.

Now, consider this every other incidence of anointment in the Old Testament, save for the protested case of David, was the roles duties and obligations were effective immediately upon being anointed, no matter the role, prophet, priest king or judge. The large amount of other cases aside from David’s set the precedence for what God’s intends when he anoints someone.

Insecurity of thought regarding a “fulfilled” priestly role.

This thought process yields an effect to the believer of having removed the validation of their atonement, and forgiveness, leaving them without a High Priest, the previous verses concerning authority also apply. This thought process has been found among a few attempting to disprove the current Kingship of Jesus, some of whom have since changed their opinion, but for those remaining with this opinion the End result is Eternal Condemnation. There is definitely and absolutely no partial fulfillment of the High Priest role.

Numbers 18:1 to 4

ויאמר יהוה אל אהרן אתה ובניך ובית אביך אתך תשׂאו את עון המקדשׁ ואתה ובניך אתך תשׂאו את עון כהנתכם וגם את אחיך מטה לוי שׁבט אביך הקרב אתך וילוו עליך וישׁרתוך ואתה ובניך אתך לפני אהל העדת ושׁמרו משׁמרתך ומשׁמרת כל האהל אך אל כלי הקדשׁ ואל המזבח לא יקרבו ולא ימתו גם הם גם אתם ונלוו עליך ושׁמרו את משׁמרת אהל מועד לכל עבדת האהל וזר לא יקרב אליכם

Numbers 3:10

ואת אהרן ואת בניו תפקד ושׁמרו את כהנתם והזר הקרב יומת

This is the honest sad truth of those who would deny the fulfillment of the High Priesthood after the order of Melchizedek.

Thinking that there will be perhaps another anointment in the future specifically for the king role.

Sadly, this is one of the most common errors taught by believers that do not think Jesus is currently their king. The following short verse will hopefully clear this up.

Hebrews 13:8 ιησους χριστος χθες και σημερον ο αυτος και εις τους αιωνας

Let us rephrase this just a little so it is clearer.

“Jesus Annointed yesterday, now, and into the age”

That one verse is pretty clear, there will be no future anointment that will have an impact on any role he has in the future.

Thinking that many parts of scripture are calling “those things that are not as though they were”, to the misapplying of apostolic explanation.

Romans 4:17 καθως γεγραπται οτι πατερα πολλων εθνων τεθεικα σε κατεναντι ου επιστευσεν θεου του ζωοποιουντος τους νεκρους και καλουντος τα μη οντα ως οντα

This is the portion of scripture used to prove that thought. However there is a certain part of that verse we need to look at and examine to understand. “As it is written” ok so let us go take a look at how it was written.

Genesis 17:3 to 5

ויפל אברם על פניו וידבר אתו אלהים לאמר אני הנה בריתי אתך והיית לאב המון גוים ולא יקרא עוד את שׁמך אברם והיה שׁמך אברהם כי אב המון גוים נתתיך

Noticeably, as it was written, that passage announces the speech of God, “And God talked with him saying” now the question is should we assume that pattern of speech exists for say, and random passage somewhere in the middle of the gospel like John 1:49 or Eph 4:25 or Acts 10:40 or Eph 2:15? These are obvious examples of doing so in error, the first because someone other than God is speaking, and the last 2 because of apostolic narrative explanations. If random selected passages are unsuitable to do so, and also those spoken by another person other than God, then it would be wise to understand that Unless the bible announces God is speaking then it is an error to interpret words of Other People and Apostles explanation as though God had said these things.

Not embracing our current citizenship role until resurrection.

This view yields a joint removal of Jesus as ones judge, king, and the heirship to promises until the time of the judgment, as well as access to the high priest, as no stranger may come before the high priest. The end result for the believer will put them in a state of “strangerhood” “traitorhood” not a good situation to be and the result is Eternal Condemnation. The reasons for this are multiple, and the impacts are large in terms of faith. Rejection of citizenship removes access to the covenants given to Abraham, and because also David was under those covenants, they remove the Davidic promises. This disastrous idea removes a great portion of the groundwork of our faith if embraced; postponing it until after the time a person would have met our High Priest which he now will not be able to do, due to lack of citizenship. Also, for Unamended Christadelphians, the rejection of citizenship leaves us vulnerable to resurrectional responsibility arguments, because the covenants of citizenship are what are used to support the idea that there is no resurrectional responsibility for unbelievers. A brief examination of the arguments is as follows:

Romans 15:8 λεγω δε χριστον ιησουν διακονον γεγενησθαι περιτομης υπερ αληθειας θεου εις το βεβαιωσαι τας επαγγελιας των πατερων

Circumcision was the requirement for an individual to be “of Israel”

Genesis 17:9 to 14

ויאמר אלהים אל אברהם ואתה את בריתי תשׁמר אתה וזרעך אחריך לדרתם זאת בריתי אשׁר תשׁמרו ביני וביניכם ובין זרעך אחריך המול לכם כל זכר ונמלתם את בשׂר ערלתכם והיה לאות ברית ביני וביניכם ובן שׁמנת ימים ימול לכם כל זכר לדרתיכם יליד בית ומקנת כסף מכל בן נכר אשׁר לא מזרעך הוא המול ימול יליד ביתך ומקנת כספך והיתה בריתי בבשׂרכם לברית עולם וערל זכר אשׁר לא ימול את בשׂר ערלתו ונכרתה הנפשׁ ההוא מעמיה את בריתי הפר

What this means is that because Jesus continues to be the minister of our “excision of foreskin”, and the circumcision was the entrance requirement to the citizenship of Israel. The following verse describes the Israel of God, as the believers.

Galatians 6:16 και οσοι τω κανονι τουτω στοιχησουσιν ειρηνη επ αυτους και ελεος και επι τον ισραηλ του θεου

Ephesians 2:12 to 18 οτι ητε εν τω καιρω εκεινω χωρις χριστου απηλλοτριωμενοι της πολιτειας του ισραηλ και ξενοι των διαθηκων της επαγγελιας ελπιδα μη εχοντες και αθεοι εν τω κοσμω νυνι δε εν χριστω ιησου υμεις οι ποτε οντες μακραν εγγυς εγενηθητεεν τω αιματι του χριστου αυτος γαρ εστιν η ειρηνη ημων ο ποιησας τα αμφοτερα εν και το μεσοτοιχον του φραγμου λυσας την εχθραν εν τη σαρκι αυτου τον νομον των εντολων εν δογμασιν καταργησας ινα τους δυο κτιση εν εαυτω εις ενα καινον ανθρωπον ποιων ειρηνην και αποκαταλλαξη τους αμφοτερους εν ενι σωματι τω θεω δια του σταυρου αποκτεινας την εχθραν εν αυτω και ελθων ευηγγελισατο ειρηνην υμιν τοις μακραν καιτοις εγγυς οτι δι αυτου εχομεν την προσαγωγην οι αμφοτεροι εν ενι πνευματι προς τον πατερα

This is a very clear expression of citizenship now for believers, notice in this last passage it is the blood of Jesus that is what makes us near to God. In the following point it matters not if a person currently thinks the blood only pertains to baptism or the wine of memorial, although the blood does relate to both.

Act 2:37 to 42 ακουσαντες δε κατενυγησαν τη καρδια ειπον τε προς τον πετρον και τους λοιπους αποστολους τι ποιησομεν ανδρες αδελφοι πετρος δε εφη προς αυτους μετανοησατεκαι βαπτισθητω εκαστος υμων επι τω ονοματι ιησου χριστου εις αφεσιναμαρτιωνκαι ληψεσθε την δωρεαν του αγιου πνευματος υμιν γαρ εστιν η επαγγελια και τοις τεκνοις υμων και πασιν τοις εις μακραν οσους αν προσκαλεσηται κυριος ο θεος ημων ετεροις τε λογοις πλειοσιν διεμαρτυρετο και παρεκαλει λεγων σωθητε απο της γενεας της σκολιας ταυτης οι μεν ουν ασμενως αποδεξαμενοι τον λογον αυτου εβαπτισθησαν και προσετεθησαν τη ημερα εκεινη ψυχαι ωσει τρισχιλιαι ησαν δε προσκαρτερουντες τη διδαχη των αποστολων και τη κοινωνια και τη κλασει του αρτου και ταις προσευχαις

Acts 1:1 to 2 τον μεν πρωτον λογον εποιησαμην περι παντων ω θεοφιλε ων ηρξατο ο ιησους ποιειν τε και διδασκειναχρι ης ημερας εντειλαμενος τοις αποστολοις δια πνευματος αγιου ους εξελεξατο ανεληφθη

So the points to consider here are:

1) Jesus gave the commandments through the spirit unto the Apostles.

2) Peter was an apostle who Jesus commanded

3) The command was to tell others “Repent, and be baptized for the remission of sins.

4) Only after that was it allowed that the breaking of bread could occur for new members.

This means that the “citizenship stamp” the metaphor of circumcision happens at baptism.

Why does this apply? This is simple 2 reasons.

Galatians 3:24 to 27 ωστε ο νομος παιδαγωγος ημων γεγονεν εις χριστον ινα εκ πιστεως δικαιωθωμεν ελθουσης δε της πιστεως ουκετι υπο παιδαγωγον εσμεν παντες γαρ υιοι θεου εστε δια της πιστεως εν χριστω ιησου οσοι γαρ εις χριστον εβαπτισθητε χριστον ενεδυσασθε

The schoolmaster is a teacher; the law is still good for teaching though we are not required to follow it. It’s like going back and asking a good teacher a question about something when we reference it, and the answer is right, because God wrote the law.

Numbers 18:1 to 4

Ok so Jesus is the figure of the true Heb 9:23, what this means is that because strangers may not come before the high priest, and those that are not baptized represent strangers. Then no stranger will be able to come before him to be judged. When we peruse the passages to follow a few thoughts can be gleaned to open our understanding more on the subject at hand.

Revelation 20:4 to 6 καιειδονθρονουςκαιεκαθισανεπαυτουςκαικριμαεδοθηαυτοιςκαιταςψυχαςτωνπεπελεκισμενωνδιατηνμαρτυριανιησουκαιδιατονλογοντουθεουκαιοιτινεςουπροσεκυνησαντοθηριονουδετηνεικονααυτουκαιουκελαβοντοχαραγμαεπιτομετωπονκαιεπιτηνχειρααυτωνκαιεζησανκαιεβασιλευσανμετατουχριστουταχιλιαετη καιοιλοιποιτωννεκρωνουκ εζησαναχριτελεσθηταχιλιαετηαυτηηαναστασιςηπρωτημακαριοςκαιαγιοςοεχωνμεροςεντηαναστασειτηπρωτηεπιτουτωνοδευτεροςθανατοςουκεχειεξουσιαναλλεσονταιιερειςτουθεουκαιτουχριστουκαιβασιλευσουσινμεταυτουχιλιαετη

Revelation 20:11 to 13 καιειδονθρονονμεγανλευκονκαιτονκαθημενονεπαυτονουαποπροσωπουεφυγενηγηκαιοουρανοςκαιτοποςουχευρεθηαυτοις καιειδοντουςνεκρουςτουςμεγαλουςκαιτουςμικρουςεστωταςενωπιοντουθρονουκαιβιβλιαηνεωχθησανκαιαλλοβιβλιονηνεωχθηοεστιντηςζωηςκαιεκριθησανοινεκροιεκτωνγεγραμμενωνεντοιςβιβλιοιςκαταταεργααυτωνκαιεδωκενηθαλασσατουςνεκρουςτουςεναυτηκαιοθανατοςκαιοαδηςεδωκαντουςνεκρουςτουςεναυτοιςκαιεκριθησανεκαστοςκαταταεργα αυτων

The first idea is this, because Jesus is the High Priest and judge over the first resurrection, there is not room for a person who is not a citizen to be raised or judged by Jesus, as they are not allowed to come before the high priest. Second points is that in multiple instances any stranger who tried to come near the High Priest, priests or sanctuary was to be put to death; Numbers 1:51, Leviticus 24:16, Numbers 3:10, Numbers 3:38, Numbers 18:7

Now is God more holy than the high priest? Yes He is. The following passages are prophetic of the time when all is finished. Notice the throne is within the sanctuary of the Temple of the Last Age. When we compare this to the passage in revelations and with the restriction for those who are strangers no being allowed to come nigh who entered the sanctuary of the holy places, and with the lack of defilement after God returns, the possibility of someone not in covenant, or who is not a citizen, being not baptized to be raised at the second judgment is nonexistent.

Ezekiel 43:4 to 7

וכבוד יהוה בא אל הבית דרך שׁער אשׁר פניו דרך הקדים ותשׂאני רוח ותביאני אל החצר הפנימי והנה מלא כבוד יהוה הבית ואשׁמע מדבר אלי מהבית ואישׁ היה עמד אצלי ויאמר אלי בן אדם את מקום כסאי ואת מקום כפות רגלי אשׁר אשׁכן שׁם בתוך בני ישׂראל לעולם ולא יטמאו עוד בית ישׂראל שׁם קדשׁי המה ומלכיהם בזנותם ובפגרי מלכיהם במותם

Ezekiel 44:2

ויאמר אלי יהוה השׁער הזה סגור יהיה לא יפתח ואישׁ לא יבא בו כי יהוה אלהי ישׂראל בא בו והיה סגור

Ezekiel 44:9

כה אמר אדני יהוה כל בן נכר ערל לב וערל בשׂר לא יבוא אל מקדשׁי לכל בן נכר אשׁר בתוך בני ישׂראל

Ok does this mean that God cannot raise someone out of covenant? It does not. What this means is that at the Judgments of mankind, those strangers will not be there. Due to the things God has set forth the only possibility for resurrection of a stranger is outside of the Judgments, away from the temples, not in the presence of Jesus or any whom he ordains to be priests. For us to say that grace can change these precepts is not provable in either case.

So we find lack to believe the citizenship to waste the fundamental understanding of the Unamended Christadelphian faith. The threat is multipronged and multifaceted, and should not be disregarded.

Complete force fulfillment of all the promises to David ideology.

This view while not removing anything forces a great many things to false fulfillment, out of due time, and is equally problematic with the first two, and is more of an issue of unstable logic, and lying. The fact that forcing this to false fulfillment is a lie will earn the teacher at minimum shame at the judgment. This is very similar to some of the catholic force fulfilling views, and we know what those views shall yield.

Reduction in respect for fellow ecclesial members. This because of various “sides” taken, rather than a strict biblical view, already has led the younger generation to disrespect the elders, on both sides of the equation. It has also led elders in various ecclesiae to ruin interpersonal relationships with elders of other ecclesiae. The result of this is continued negative developments in ecclesial stability, and continued splintering. The guilt for this is placed squarely on the heads of both sides. Needless to say the following verse illustrates what shall happen to those who offend others.

Matthew 18:6 ος δ αν σκανδαλιση ενα των μικρων τουτων των πιστευοντων εις εμε συμφερει αυτω ινα κρεμασθη μυλος ονικος εις τον τραχηλον αυτου και καταποντισθη εν τω πελαγει της θαλασσης

Those that start controversy in the ecclesiae, and offend those little ones learning the truth will receive Eternal Condemnation. Having said that controversy is only controversy if it takes a caustic form, speaking about things we must in a peaceable manner diffuses the caustic aura of the situation and makes these things acceptable to speak about.

Open Acceptance of the “Cutting off for purities sake” or errorist hunting.

Isaiah 66:5

שׁמעו דבר יהוה החרדים אל דברו אמרו אחיכם שׂנאיכם מנדיכם למען שׁמי יכבד יהוה ונראה בשׂמחתכם והם יבשׁו

This will lead to Eternal Condemnation for those who cut off fellowship and cast members from their presence, especially when not all of the facts are evident, or personal assumptions due to laziness are made, or there is interpersonal slander involved.

The idea that extra “Statements of Fellowship” are a good idea.

Proverbs 30: 5 to 6

כל אמרת אלוה צרופה מגן הוא לחסים בו אל תוסף על דבריו פן יוכיח בך ונכזבת

It does not matter if they are literally added to part of the bible or not, the Catholics, and Mormons are both peoples found to be liars, Catholics because they tampered with scripture and wrote their own documents and Mormons because they hold their own writings as biblical books in their regard. Be aware if you have a statement of fellowship you hold as “ecclesial law” you are doing the same.

Isaiah 55:8 & 9

כי לא מחשׁבותי מחשׁבותיכם ולא דרכיכם דרכי נאם יהוה כי גבהו שׁמים מארץ כן גבהו דרכי מדרכיכם ומחשׁבתי ממחשׁבתיכם

The idea that cutting off those not as educated is a good idea.

1 Thessalonians 5:14 παρακαλουμενδευμαςαδελφοινουθετειτετουςατακτουςπαραμυθεισθετουςολιγοψυχουςαντεχεσθετωνασθενωνμακροθυμειτεπροςπαντας

Isaiah 35:3 to 4

חזקו ידים רפות וברכים כשׁלות אמצו אמרו לנמהרי לב חזקו אל תיראו הנה אלהיכם נקם יבוא גמול אלהים הוא יבוא וישׁעכם

What this means, is that rather than when we perceive someone else as having a lesser ability than our own in the faith, in any manner, we ought rather than neglect them, or reject them to find a way to bolster their faith, in the spirit of patience. It is never a good idea to cut anyone off because they hold a lesser grasp of scriptures than you.

Questions and Objections answered:

1) Can you recite for us any of the affects of such a kingdom as you believe has had one the earth during the last two thousand years?

The growth and spread of the citizenry, over time is one. This isn’t counting the actual amount of believers today but rather the believers that have lived throughout the centuries. Secondly without citizenship we have no hope; it is the citizenship in the Israel of God, which is the ecclesia, which provides our hope, so that we are not aliens to the covenants of promise. Please understand the writer doesn’t believe the 7th thousandth year kingdom is now. There is a verse in Philippians 3:20 the word conversation there should have been translated as government, thus our governance has been in heaven from whence we look for our messiah. Plato who was roughly 400 years before Christ used this word to describe governments. “For our (government) is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ.” Notice how this passage places stress on Jesus’ name.

2) How has such a Kingship rule of Christ benefitted our lives?

The answer is this. Beginning at baptism we are circumcised with the promise we make to try to keep ourselves clean from sin, as well as the remission of sins. Jesus is the minister of the circumcision unto those that believe (Rom 15:8). A quick look into the Old Testament shows 3 different authorities responsible for circumcision 1) a father which Jesus was definitely not 2) a mother who Jesus also was not 3) A Judge of Israel, which Jesus is. Furthermore a quick look into 1 Samuel shows the cause of the people wanting a king was “now make us a king to judge us”, it is at this point in time that Judges ceased to be the major authority in Israel, forever after in scripture Judges were always subordinate to Kings, second the main purpose of a throne is so that the king may sit upon it as he judges the people. That in a nutshell besides leading in wars, and making decrees is the most major role of a king. Because the Judge role was the only other authority by which “excision of foreskin” might be done outside a family, and because it was the only role that it could be done in mass of people, and the role had since been absorbed into the role of King. The only route we have to that circumcision and becoming heirs of the covenants of promise is by Kingship, not to mention only a sovereign ruler can truly grant citizenship, or ambassadorship. There are also the commandments that Jesus gave through the spirit to the apostles in Acts 1.

3) How can Jesus be king of the dead at this time? Isn’t he supposed to be king of life?

Are the dead in Christ legally “out of life” and “in Adam” while dead? No, but they are still legally in “in Christ” or “in life” and will be made alive again at the judgment. Are they currently living no, but Jesus is still their king while they are yet in the grave due to them being legally “in life”.

Colossians 3:3 απεθανετε γαρ και η ζωη υμων κεκρυπται συν τω χριστω εν τω θεω

Ephesians 5:14 διολεγειεγειρεοκαθευδωνκαιανασταεκτωννεκρωνκαιεπιφαυσεισοιοχριστος

4) Why not just say Jesus isn’t king now?

Firstly, he was anointed once for all, and that anointment will not change. Second, he has a name which is above every name both now and in the age to come, that means that his name is greater than all others on the face of the earth. The distinction comes in the thought that there have been Kings and still are Kings on the earth, therefore if his name is above those then he has to have a name or title greater than King, that title being “King of Kings and Lord of Lords”. What we are part of now, a kingdom that is not restored, which in comparison to what we will be part of is a kingdom restored.

5) There was a noticeable lack of dealing with pioneer arguments they present, why didn’t you present any of these things?

It is really distasteful to subject the pioneer writer’s or really anyone’s words to the level of scrutiny that the ideas and scriptures in this article were studied with, especially as direct quotes from people who are dead, and cannot answer for themselves. This would not build up the community, had this been done it would have caused greater dissent in the brotherhood. Some ideas that were opposed did come from various sources, but no direct quotes were used, except perhaps a few of these questions.

6) What are the most important pieces of information pointing toward Jesus’ Kingship now?

All of the governmental explanations; citizenship, ambassadorship, anointment, proclamation, etc. these are what impact this subject the most, the fact that God setup a certain hierarchy that we are underneath, and set Jesus as the door, and foundation for all of this. Understanding that there are a great number of things built above this foundation is vital, as if we shift the foundation the whole house will fall. After all is he not the beginning of the creation of God? Rev 3:14 The sheer amount of governmental references after having done the study is quite large, and potently points toward a very defined governmental structure that we have now, it happened to be changes in those beliefs, among believers who did not embrace Jesus’ current kingship, that red flagged the subject for me as quite problematic before getting into the subject very far.

7) What is the Body without its head? Jesus is so far removed from us isn’t it like us having out head cutoff?

Perhaps this question is in reference to a spiritual interpretation of the following passage.

Revelation 20:4 καιειδονθρονουςκαιεκαθισανεπαυτουςκαικριμαεδοθηαυτοιςκαιταςψυχαςτωνπεπελεκισμενωνδιατηνμαρτυριανιησουκαιδιατονλογοντουθεουκαιοιτινεςουπροσεκυνησαντοθηριονουδετηνεικονααυτουκαιουκελαβοντοχαραγμαεπιτομετωπονκαιεπιτηνχειρααυτωνκαιεζησανκαιεβασιλευσανμετατουχριστουταχιλιαετη

The problem with interpreting this verse spiritually concerning Jesus our “head” being cut off or removed from us is in this verse.

Colossians 2:17 to 20 αεστινσκιατωνμελλοντων το δεσωμαχριστουμηδειςυμαςκαταβραβευετωθελωνενταπεινοφροσυνηκαιθρησκειατωναγγελων αμηεωρακενεμβατευωνεικηφυσιουμενοςυποτουνοοςτηςσαρκοςαυτουκαιουκρατωντηνκεφαληνεξουπαντοσωμαδιατωναφωνκαισυνδεσμωνεπιχορηγουμενονκαισυμβιβαζομενοναυξειτηναυξησιντουθεου ειαπεθανετεσυνχριστωαποτωνστοιχειωντουκοσμουτιωςζωντεςενκοσμωδογματιζεσθε

As many of us that have studied the cherubim and it’s symbols of the Jesus and the ecclesia understand, when applied to the verse above the whole body is not currently knit together. The passage above shows that we should not allow someone through bad ideas to remove the head from the body. The four faces of the cherubim which are of Man, Eagle, Ox, Lion are reflective of the 4 roles of Jesus. To say that Jesus is not king, would in effect cut off the Lion face, which is not the perfect reflection of what was written in scripture, and we should reteach the 4 heads in complete form. To illustrate this thought a little better lets think about the following passage.

Hebrews 5:8 to 9 καιπερωνυιοςεμαθεναφωνεπαθεντηνυπακοην καιτελειωθειςεγενετοτοιςυπακουουσιναυτωπασιναιτιοςσωτηριαςαιωνιου

The word for τελειωθεις means literally “complete”, now even as Jesus is the head of the body, and knowing what the head of the cherubim means is that a truly complete head with a face missing? No of course not. A perfect, complete head is what Jesus our head is. This means that all of the roles, including kingship now, must be taught in order to have a complete faith. Also, the curtain to the most sacred place, had cherubs on it, and was whole (or complete) before being torn, Jesus would need to have met the type of the complete cherub at crucifixion.

Last the phrase “Lion of the tribe of Judah” has always meant King to us Christadelphians, choosing a different interpretation would be changing many of the fundamentals of our faith. Therefore we are left with the only other logical choice, and that is to embrace Jesus’ King position now with no regret.

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Jesus is Emperor

(a) Apo-kata-histemi

(b) “To put away the low standing”

(c) John 18:36 Jesus responded ” my rule/realm does not exist from the world, if this rule/realm existed from the world then my subordinates would struggle wishing the negation of surrender to the Judeans now, and My rule/realm does not exist here.”

Errors in Thinking

Rejection of Jesus in the King position now.

Believing that Jesus must live the exact pattern a David.

Insecurity of thought regarding a “fulfilled” priestly role.

Thinking that there will be perhaps another anointment in the future specifically for the king role.

Thinking that many parts of scripture are calling “those things that are not as though they were”, to the misapplying of apostolic explanation.

Not embracing our current citizenship role until resurrection.

Complete force fulfillment of all the promises to David ideology.

Questions and Objections answered:

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Jesus is Emperor

(a) Apo-kata-histemi

(b) “To put away the low standing”

(c) John 18:36 Jesus responded ” my rule/realm does not exist from the world, if this rule/realm existed from the world then my subordinates would struggle wishing the negation of surrender to the Judeans now, and My rule/realm does not exist here.”

Errors in Thinking

Rejection of Jesus in the King position now.

Believing that Jesus must live the exact pattern a David.

Insecurity of thought regarding a “fulfilled” priestly role.

Thinking that there will be perhaps another anointment in the future specifically for the king role.

Thinking that many parts of scripture are calling “those things that are not as though they were”, to the misapplying of apostolic explanation.

Not embracing our current citizenship role until resurrection.

Complete force fulfillment of all the promises to David ideology.

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